Celebrian

Belwen_of_nargothrond · 12-12-2007, 10:30 PM

I'm just curious. I heard that Celebrian and Elrond weren't married until the third age, but I was wondering if they had met in the second age before Gil-Galad's death. Does anyone know when she was born?

***Valandil*** · 12-12-2007, 10:43 PM

Good question, Belwen (and welcome to Entmoot!

).

In Unfinished Tales, in the part on "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn", there's some material from a version of the story where Amroth (King of Lothlorien until 1981 Third Age - when he is lost and G & C begin their lordship there) was the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. That version has him born between 350 and 400 of the Second Age, while G & C were living near Nenuial - Lake Evendim. There is a statement there that no explicit information is given on whether Celebrian was born before that or after - or if in the same location.

Because the Elves tended to cluster their children closely together
(er... at least considering that they're essentially immortal - so relatively speaking anyway), I suppose it's most likely that Celebrian was born somewhat early in the Second Age.

Lefty Scaevola · 12-13-2007, 02:24 PM

The published canon, in the appendicies to LoTR III, is that Amroth is the son of Amdir/Magalad, not Galadriel and Celeborn.
Celebrian's birth date is not given anywhere. Her earliest mention in published material is her wedding to Elrond in 3A 109, her earliest mention in unpublished material (in one of the several versions of the "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn" is 2A 1350.

***Valandil*** · 12-14-2007, 12:08 AM

Yes - I agree that Amroth was not the son of Celeborn and Galadriel, but wondered if that alternate history might help pinpoint a likely date for Celebrian's birth.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Glad you pulled up the 1350 reference. I only scanned the UT portion and missed that.

12-12-2007, 10:30 PM	#1
Belwen_of_nargothrond Enting Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nargothrond Posts: 71	Celebrian I'm just curious. I heard that Celebrian and Elrond weren't married until the third age, but I was wondering if they had met in the second age before Gil-Galad's death. Does anyone know when she was born?

12-12-2007, 10:43 PM	#2
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Good question, Belwen (and welcome to Entmoot! ). In Unfinished Tales, in the part on "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn", there's some material from a version of the story where Amroth (King of Lothlorien until 1981 Third Age - when he is lost and G & C begin their lordship there) was the son of Galadriel and Celeborn. That version has him born between 350 and 400 of the Second Age, while G & C were living near Nenuial - Lake Evendim. There is a statement there that no explicit information is given on whether Celebrian was born before that or after - or if in the same location. Because the Elves tended to cluster their children closely together (er... at least considering that they're essentially immortal - so relatively speaking anyway), I suppose it's most likely that Celebrian was born somewhat early in the Second Age. __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

12-13-2007, 02:24 PM	#3
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	The published canon, in the appendicies to LoTR III, is that Amroth is the son of Amdir/Magalad, not Galadriel and Celeborn. Celebrian's birth date is not given anywhere. Her earliest mention in published material is her wedding to Elrond in 3A 109, her earliest mention in unpublished material (in one of the several versions of the "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn" is 2A 1350. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me," Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 12-13-2007 at 02:33 PM.

12-14-2007, 12:08 AM	#4
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Yes - I agree that Amroth was not the son of Celeborn and Galadriel, but wondered if that alternate history might help pinpoint a likely date for Celebrian's birth. Sorry if I was unclear. Glad you pulled up the 1350 reference. I only scanned the UT portion and missed that. __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

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