Evil Elves...

Peter_20 · 03-05-2007, 09:29 AM

I find evil Elves fascinating.
There's just something about the contrasts that I find really cool.
For example, take fierce dudes like FÃ«anor and Maeglin: they've got all the physical Elf characteristics, and they're probably considered "beautiful" and everything.
Therefore it's so cool when you consider how evil they became: they stop caring about all the pretty-boy things, but they still are those kinds of characters.
This is really hard to put into words, but I guess you see my point.

I found a really nice drawing of Caranthir a while ago:
http://www.tolkien.com.pl/kasiopea/o...r_portret1.jpg

Caranthir looks really dangerous on that picture, but he IS an ELF.

I usually associate Elves with cute people like MÃ*riel, Finrod and Glorfindel, and then we have the "dark" characters that forsake their beautiful sides and turn to evil, which makes them resemble servants of Morgoth rather than beautiful Elves.

Olmer · 03-05-2007, 11:03 AM

Cute Elves? I have never had such impression. Beautiful in their own way, with kind of refined gracefulness, not quite like human in the way of thinking, but with all human traits, and at the same time are very powerful, dangerous and even scary. In other words, aliens.

Catherine Karina Chmel is a marvelous artist. I love how she portrays people: you can see their character. One of my favorite Maglor and Maedhros

Peter_20 · 03-05-2007, 11:54 AM

Haha, "cute" perhaps wasn't a very good term, but you see my point, methinks.

I like how they're supposed to be all beautiful and wonderful and whatnot, and still some of them decide "screw it, I ain't no beautiful character, let's kill people! Wait...! Am I still looking beautiful?!"
Like that.

Oh, and that drawing was wonderful too - Maedhros & Maglor v.s. Elrond & Elros!

Elros looks totally freaked out.

***Earniel*** · 03-05-2007, 02:18 PM

I partially blame the movies for the harmless pretty-boy image the Elves have. Many of the Elves, especially the Silmarillion Elves, I tend to compare to tigers. Beautiful and graceful but fierce and frightening the next moment.

And while the likes of FÃ«anor, Ã‹ol and Maeglin may be rare, it's frightening to think what if all Elves had been quite like that. We would never have stood a chance, methinks...

***RÃan*** · 03-05-2007, 04:11 PM

And then there's that old Hobbit cartoon-movie, where the elves are really, really ugly!

It's very clear that the Elves are beautiful physically,and the more you read outside of LOTR and Hobbit, I think you'd have to agree with Earniel about the tigers.

jammi567 · 03-05-2007, 05:36 PM

Elves and men (and maiar and valar) are not evil, simply misguided

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-06-2007, 12:27 AM

What do you call Sauron and Morgoth? Those who intended to dominate all other wills in the world? The former of whom ordained human sacrifices to the latter? Both of whom held a reign of terror and oppressive fear? Neh.

Blackheart · 03-06-2007, 05:13 PM

All elves are evil. Take my word for it. They opposed their rightful lord Melkor.

Also they tend to dance entirely too much.

The last sane person · 03-06-2007, 05:43 PM

Not to mention that god awful singing all the time... That with the dancing...It tends to remind me of cats on fire.

me9996 · 03-06-2007, 07:41 PM

Aren't evil elves called 'orcs'?

But as to Elves that are still, well, elvish and evilish and the same time I realy don't know.

I don't like the elves in Eragon but the elves of Middle Earth have always seemed good to me

And as such I have very little to say on the subject.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-07-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by me9996

Aren't evil elves called 'orcs'?

But as to Elves that are still, well, elvish and evilish and the same time I realy don't know.

I don't like the elves in Eragon but the elves of Middle Earth have always seemed good to me

And as such I have very little to say on the subject.

Whether orcs are Elves or Men is debatable.

ElemmÃrÃ« · 03-07-2007, 08:33 PM

FÃ«anor wasn't evil. He's a dark character, yes, but I swear he was much too psychotic by the end for him to have enough of an idea about what he was doing to really be considered evil.

jammi567 · 03-08-2007, 03:16 AM

Exactly. And so was Melkor, because Eru was too lazy to help him decide the best carrior(?) option, so Melkor chose the one that was less suied to him.

Lotesse · 03-08-2007, 03:55 AM

Evil elves are sexy. Sauron, Morgoth, especialy Feanor, oh lord - drop dead sexy, literally. I've always been in love with Feanor... But, then again, blackheart has a point - all elves are kind of "evil," aren't they? Shifty little buggers, the lot of 'em. Never trust an elf.

Peter_20 · 03-08-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotesse

Evil elves are sexy. Sauron, Morgoth, especialy Feanor, oh lord - drop dead sexy, literally. I've always been in love with Feanor... But, then again, blackheart has a point - all elves are kind of "evil," aren't they? Shifty little buggers, the lot of 'em. Never trust an elf.

Haha, yeah, it's just like Gimli says in the LOTR movie:
"nobody trusts an Elf!" XD

The last sane person · 03-08-2007, 02:31 PM

I dont trust em, but they sure are nice to look at. But then again, I rarely trust anyone, though dwarves, though hard to get to know, once you get their word, its good for life. Elves have this tendancy to go and spout these overly dramatic/poorly worded and damning oaths when ever things start to get warm.

And Jammi, its career.

Olmer · 03-08-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The last sane person

I dont trust em, but they sure are nice to look at..

Are they? Or it was just an impression? What kind of effect will be on somebody, who lived in the woods and suddenly saw a person, dressed in fine clothes, with shiny thrinkets dangling like on a christmas tree, tall, regal in stature...and etc. Of course, you will say it's nice to look at him. Even if his mug is not better than your face.

Lotesse · 03-09-2007, 03:00 AM

So-called "good elves are a helluva lot more creepy and freaky than enlightened "evil" elves. Anyway evil is downright sexy, sexy sexy SEXY, it is interesting, wild, willful and freakin' sexy. Those other automaton elves have always given me the nervous heebie-jeebies. Galadriel? Are you kidding me? She's WAY, way more "evil" than Feanor could've ever hoped to be - she knew what she was doing, and she had a subtle, terrifying cool method to get what she wanted. She was more "evil" than the in-your-face, this is what we're about elves, by far and away. She was worase than Sauron. Think about it. She really was. Sauron lost his beauty-garb, became some tricked-out giant eye and stuff, but he used to be the most beautiful being on middle-earth. Who's the most beautiful being on middle-earth at the time of LotR? You guesses it - Galadriel, Sauron's spiritual concubine.

Yeah, I'd do her. Hell yeah! Evil is downright sexy, kids, and y'all KNOW it. Anyway, Feanor and I, we're like THIS. *makes crossed fingers, taps heart* Like THIS, homies; believe it! Love that cat.

Feanaro · 03-15-2007, 07:36 PM

i wasn't evil damn it!, yeah i was deranged, paranoid and lost the plot but my father, who was more dear to me than the silmarils themselves, was slain yet the valar would of had me do nothing like a fool

and yeah i am rather sexy, actually i was the most sexiest elf ever...FACT!

Landroval · 03-16-2007, 04:07 AM

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Those other automaton elves have always given me the nervous heebie-jeebies.

If anything, corrupted beings act like automatons. Corruption means that all the options are bent, biased - the 'automaton' you were talking about.

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She was worase than Sauron.

How? Did she have nihilistic tendencies? Did she perform necromancy? Did she torture persons? You must be kidding.

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Who's the most beautiful being on middle-earth at the time of LotR?

How about Arwen Evenstar, "in whom it was said that the likeness of Luthien had come on earth again" (~Many Meetings, FotR)?

03-05-2007, 09:29 AM	#1
Peter_20 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 104	Evil Elves... I find evil Elves fascinating. There's just something about the contrasts that I find really cool. For example, take fierce dudes like FÃ«anor and Maeglin: they've got all the physical Elf characteristics, and they're probably considered "beautiful" and everything. Therefore it's so cool when you consider how evil they became: they stop caring about all the pretty-boy things, but they still are those kinds of characters. This is really hard to put into words, but I guess you see my point. I found a really nice drawing of Caranthir a while ago: http://www.tolkien.com.pl/kasiopea/o...r_portret1.jpg Caranthir looks really dangerous on that picture, but he IS an ELF. I usually associate Elves with cute people like MÃriel, Finrod and Glorfindel, and then we have the "dark" characters that forsake their beautiful sides and turn to evil, which makes them resemble servants of Morgoth rather than beautiful Elves. Last edited by Peter_20 : 03-05-2007 at 11:55 AM.*

03-05-2007, 11:03 AM	#2
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	Cute Elves? I have never had such impression. Beautiful in their own way, with kind of refined gracefulness, not quite like human in the way of thinking, but with all human traits, and at the same time are very powerful, dangerous and even scary. In other words, aliens. Catherine Karina Chmel is a marvelous artist. I love how she portrays people: you can see their character. One of my favorite Maglor and Maedhros __________________ Uruk-hai, or the journey to there.

03-05-2007, 11:54 AM	#3
Peter_20 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 104	Haha, "cute" perhaps wasn't a very good term, but you see my point, methinks. I like how they're supposed to be all beautiful and wonderful and whatnot, and still some of them decide "screw it, I ain't no beautiful character, let's kill people! Wait...! Am I still looking beautiful?!" Like that. Oh, and that drawing was wonderful too - Maedhros & Maglor v.s. Elrond & Elros! Elros looks totally freaked out. Last edited by Peter_20 : 03-05-2007 at 12:05 PM.

03-05-2007, 02:18 PM	#4
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I partially blame the movies for the harmless pretty-boy image the Elves have. Many of the Elves, especially the Silmarillion Elves, I tend to compare to tigers. Beautiful and graceful but fierce and frightening the next moment. And while the likes of FÃ«anor, Ã‹ol and Maeglin may be rare, it's frightening to think what if all Elves had been quite like that. We would never have stood a chance, methinks... __________________ We are not things.

03-05-2007, 04:11 PM	#5
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	And then there's that old Hobbit cartoon-movie, where the elves are really, really ugly! It's very clear that the Elves are beautiful physically,and the more you read outside of LOTR and Hobbit, I think you'd have to agree with Earniel about the tigers. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 03-05-2007 at 04:12 PM.

03-05-2007, 05:36 PM	#6
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	Elves and men (and maiar and valar) are not evil, simply misguided __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

03-06-2007, 12:27 AM	#7
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	What do you call Sauron and Morgoth? Those who intended to dominate all other wills in the world? The former of whom ordained human sacrifices to the latter? Both of whom held a reign of terror and oppressive fear? Neh. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-06-2007, 05:13 PM	#8
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	All elves are evil. Take my word for it. They opposed their rightful lord Melkor. Also they tend to dance entirely too much. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

03-06-2007, 05:43 PM	#9
The last sane person The Black NÃºmenÃ³rean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Not to mention that god awful singing all the time... That with the dancing...It tends to remind me of cats on fire. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

03-07-2007, 08:33 PM	#12
ElemmÃrÃ« avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	FÃ«anor wasn't evil. He's a dark character, yes, but I swear he was much too psychotic by the end for him to have enough of an idea about what he was doing to really be considered evil. __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

03-08-2007, 03:16 AM	#13
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	Exactly. And so was Melkor, because Eru was too lazy to help him decide the best carrior(?) option, so Melkor chose the one that was less suied to him. __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

03-08-2007, 03:55 AM	#14
Lotesse of the House of FÃ«anor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Evil elves are sexy. Sauron, Morgoth, especialy Feanor, oh lord - drop dead sexy, literally. I've always been in love with Feanor... But, then again, blackheart has a point - all elves are kind of "evil," aren't they? Shifty little buggers, the lot of 'em. Never trust an elf. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

03-08-2007, 02:31 PM	#16
The last sane person The Black NÃºmenÃ³rean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	I dont trust em, but they sure are nice to look at. But then again, I rarely trust anyone, though dwarves, though hard to get to know, once you get their word, its good for life. Elves have this tendancy to go and spout these overly dramatic/poorly worded and damning oaths when ever things start to get warm. And Jammi, its career. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

03-09-2007, 03:00 AM	#18
Lotesse of the House of FÃ«anor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	So-called "good elves are a helluva lot more creepy and freaky than enlightened "evil" elves. Anyway evil is downright sexy, sexy sexy SEXY, it is interesting, wild, willful and freakin' sexy. Those other automaton elves have always given me the nervous heebie-jeebies. Galadriel? Are you kidding me? She's WAY, way more "evil" than Feanor could've ever hoped to be - she knew what she was doing, and she had a subtle, terrifying cool method to get what she wanted. She was more "evil" than the in-your-face, this is what we're about elves, by far and away. She was worase than Sauron. Think about it. She really was. Sauron lost his beauty-garb, became some tricked-out giant eye and stuff, but he used to be the most beautiful being on middle-earth. Who's the most beautiful being on middle-earth at the time of LotR? You guesses it - Galadriel, Sauron's spiritual concubine. Yeah, I'd do her. Hell yeah! Evil is downright sexy, kids, and y'all KNOW it. Anyway, Feanor and I, we're like THIS. makes crossed fingers, taps heart Like THIS, homies; believe it! Love that cat. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

03-15-2007, 07:36 PM	#19
Feanaro Sapling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: halls of mandos Posts: 10	i wasn't evil damn it!, yeah i was deranged, paranoid and lost the plot but my father, who was more dear to me than the silmarils themselves, was slain yet the valar would of had me do nothing like a fool and yeah i am rather sexy, actually i was the most sexiest elf ever...FACT! __________________ Let those that cursed my name curse me still, and whine their way back to the cages of the valar

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