Eugenics

[hectorberlioz]

I'd known about this before (Eugenics), but I did not know the name for it.
I haven't read much on the subject, but I somehow feel I don't need to: I know what I'll run into: that old old argument about unhealthy people being unworthy and worthless...

Anyways, this is an incredibly depressing subject....

[Jonathan]

Perhaps you could tell us more about what eugenics is?

[hectorberlioz]

Ok, I will in my understanding, and with a link.

Eugenics seeks to "seed" the people born with strong genes from the weak ones. Basically a man-made "survival of the fittest", an attemp to accomplish "Superman".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

I think it's pure evil. Of all the evil things, they shrink in comparison with this...

...."and in some cases, genocide on races perceived as inferior."
~From the wikipedia link above

[Jonathan]

Some kind of social darwinism then. Very unethical in my mind.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Some kind of social darwinism then. Very unethical in my mind.

*pats Jonathan on the back* Yer' human

I think I've heard that Charles Lindbergh wanted a scientist to find his future wife based on good genes...that seems a bit connected to the topic above, no?

[Jonathan]

Yeah, in a way. Of course, humans always look for partners with "good genes" subconsciously. Like, a woman with fat depots in the right places (her breasts, her behind) sends signals to men that she's healthy and probably has a fine set of genes

You don't need a scientist to see that.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Yeah, in a way. Of course, humans always look for partners with "good genes" subconsciously. Like, a woman with fat depots in the right places (her breasts, her behind) sends signals to men that she's healthy and probably has a fine set of genes

You don't need a scientist to see that.

Subtlety isn't on your must-do list is it?

Indeed, it is as you say. Who knows, that may have been why men use to have fatter wives? (If they did in bigger percentage, which is unknowable).

[Insidious Rex]

Its interesting to note that luminaries like Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Winston Churchill all openly touted the idea of eugenics and how it could be a positive thing for society as a whole. It was even taught in universities and no one really blinked until the Nazis started using it for their own perverted purposed in the 1930's. Ever since then its been synonymous with pseudoscience and virulent racial discrimination justification.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Its interesting to note that luminaries like Alexander Graham Bell, George Bernard Shaw, and Winston Churchill all openly touted the idea of eugenics and how it could be a positive thing for society as a whole. It was even taught in universities and no one really blinked until the Nazis started using it for their own perverted purposed in the 1930's. Ever since then its been synonymous with pseudoscience and virulent racial discrimination justification.

Well, I wasn't exactly shocked to see the first two names endorsing it. I admit I was a bit taken aback when I saw Churchill's name...

It WAS EVEN taught in universities? That's no surprise

I'm sorry, but things like Socialism, Eugenics, and whatever else that seems to want to eradicate the element of spontaneity in humanity; I have to characterise them as pure evil. It's frightening to me that some people think that "Society" (whatever it may mean by then) is more important than an individual person. And what I mean is that abstract "Idealism of Perfection" (example: kill your Grandma so that you can say you have 10 dead Grandmothers) that some people seek. Economic perfection through force? Human perfection through force?

What the Nazis did was only a fraction of the whole.

[Spock]

It's a constant theme in many sci-fi movies; "the eugenics wars".

[Huorn]

When you say the word eugenics I immediately thinks Nazis. It is an attempt to weed out genetically 'imperfect' individuals from the population. To Hitler those imperfect individuals were the Jews. Then he expanded the definition when it became a convenient excuse to elimate people from his cabinet that made him angry.

For example a number of people within the Nazi organization in the early days were homosexual. He tolerated them. But when Ernst Rohm made him angry he started targeting homesexuals to eliminate Rohm and his friends. Thus was born the Nazi oppression of not only 'inferior' races, but of people that acted outside the accepted norms.

Nazi eugenics was horrible. We all know about the concentration camps and the gas chambers made to look like showers.

[The Telcontarion]

Amazing video about the real cause of aids:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...0506_b_HIV.htm

Another video about psycological testing on children and the reasons why:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/300305breeding.htm

And last but certainly not least, if you do anything in the future, do not get the micro-chip:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/130...edchipping.htm

Also look up the UT professor Dr pianka - an then you will understand what this is really all about. Here is a link about the devil himself:

http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_...l-p/index.html

[Falagar]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Well, I wasn't exactly shocked to see the first two names endorsing it. I admit I was a bit taken aback when I saw Churchill's name...

It WAS EVEN taught in universities? That's no surprise

I'm sorry, but things like Socialism, Eugenics, and whatever else that seems to want to eradicate the element of spontaneity in humanity; I have to characterise them as pure evil. It's frightening to me that some people think that "Society" (whatever it may mean by then) is more important than an individual person. And what I mean is that abstract "Idealism of Perfection" (example: kill your Grandma so that you can say you have 10 dead Grandmothers) that some people seek. Economic perfection through force? Human perfection through force?

What the Nazis did was only a fraction of the whole.

You're aware of, I suppose, that most of northern Europe (some of the most successful countries in the world) all are socialistic? Even the US isn't entirely engulfed in capitalism. It's also important to note that "society" (in the meaning deployed here, at any rate) is made up of individuals. I have lots of names for our government, but "pure evil" isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

On eugenics: though of course the concept is pretty scary it isn't really new; read "The Republic" by Platon.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Falagar

You're aware of, I suppose, that most of northern Europe (some of the most successful countries in the world) all are socialistic? Even the US isn't entirely engulfed in capitalism. It's also important to note that "society" (in the meaning deployed here, at any rate) is made up of individuals. I have lots of names for our government, but "pure evil" isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

On eugenics: though of course the concept is pretty scary it isn't really new; read "The Republic" by Platon.

Well, my royal piquancy was referring to that famous brand of Socialism: Marxism, and Communism.

What I meant by "Society" was the society that is no longer anyone, it is a fictional crowd, it is a weird ideal of a few for the benefit of a few.
I don't care how old it is...

[The Telcontarion]

Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

Amazing video about the real cause of aids:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...0506_b_HIV.htm

Another video about psycological testing on children and the reasons why:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/300305breeding.htm

And last but certainly not least, if you do anything in the future, do not get the micro-chip:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/130...edchipping.htm

Also look up the UT professor Dr pianka - an then you will understand what this is really all about. Here is a link about the devil himself:

http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_...l-p/index.html

I want people to see these links.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

It WAS EVEN taught in universities? That's no surprise

And you are unsuprised because...

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

And you are unsuprised because...

I'm just picking on Universities.

[Huorn]

Pianka is a monster. The other links provided sound like crackpots.

[hectorberlioz]

Originally Posted by Entwife_Oak

Pianka is a monster. The other links provided sound like crackpots.

*gives Entwife Oak a big brownie with a cherry on top*

EDIT: Wow, if this guy Pianka really is...like that, he has to be the biggest jerk the planet has ever known. What a weirdo.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Ever since then its been synonymous with pseudoscience and virulent racial discrimination justification.

As it should be!

The Telcontorian, I do appreciate the effort you obviously put in to finding those links, but I don't want my head to explode from all the stupid, racist, hateful bull feces that is likely to spew forth. At least, not before I'm done all my errands today.

(Not that I already think Eugenics is total rubbish or anything. )

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

I'm just picking on Universities .

Hey.

Also, socialism is evil because of Communism? Communism is the extreme of all socialist ideas. That's like saying food is evil because overeating can lead to obesity, sheesh man!