How would you have changed the setting?

gwilwileth · 06-21-2006, 05:50 AM

I was talking with Sam about some parts of the setting we would have changed. What would you have changed if you were making the movies? Would you have more computer generated scenes or less? Would the movies only be filmed in New Zealand or many different places? Money is no object.

me9996 · 06-21-2006, 05:33 PM

Money is not an option? You mean there's no money to pay for it? Or do you mean money's no object?

Anyway I'd likely animate everything

gwilwileth · 06-24-2006, 12:29 AM

ya. Money is no object.

The Telcontarion · 06-25-2006, 09:44 PM

I would use far less computer generated imagery. I always envisioned LOTR movie battle scenes more like the movie Braveheart. Highly realistic, even with trolls and orcs.

There are many things I did not like about the visuals. I didn't even like Lothlorien. Too dreamy and fake looking. It's the same reason I got tired of the batman series after awhile, just fake. Look at batman beggins, highly realistic therefore much better. I prefer a more practical approach. Those flets and tree houses should have looked far more realistic; realistic lighting everything. Just people living in the forest, people highly adopted to do so, with the usual elvin creative flare, but still believeable in everyday sense.

Another example are those dragons in the movie ring of fire. Very realistic feel throughout that movie. Dragons in the waking world feeling that.

Frankly, the fellowship of the rings was the only one of the three that I did not walk out of. I was incredibly disappointed with them.

Lizra · 07-12-2006, 08:04 AM

The Fake armies were TOO huge....I agree with Telcontarion. Lothlorien really sucked...not beautiful, not tree worthy. The emphasis on the colored lighting (gold/Rivendell, blue-nightime/Lothlorien, green/Shire etc ) was way overdone.

Huorn · 07-12-2006, 09:39 AM

I would have changed the way they did the Ents. They made them look too much like walking Huorns or half asleep Ents. The book discribes Ents as having moss hair and beards, not branches and leaves!

Lizra · 07-12-2006, 12:21 PM

So....they were too barky/branchy/woody for you?
The Ents would be very difficult....I don't think I could have done them well enough to satisfy myself. Treebeard was a bit of a dork though....

Huorn · 07-12-2006, 12:56 PM

They looked too much like Huorns. They didn't look at all like they were discribed in the books. Ents were discribed in the books as being man-like somewhat trool like figures with a bark-like covering over the torso and legs. They had grey-green hair and beards. I would have liked it better if they had stuck closer to the text.

Curubethion · 07-12-2006, 01:37 PM

*shrugs*
I'm not an Entologist, so I don't know much about these things. They looked pretty good to me. I was dissapointed that Huorns actually never made it into the movie. They would have been cool.

Sam · 08-17-2006, 02:05 PM

hey, did anyone notice how bright shelobs lair was??? i mean what was Pj thinking

ok, i wouldn't have really cared if Pj had put in a few extra tunnels, but when the book clearly says over and over again that it was too dark to even see your hand in front of you there should be no light!!!!!

Rosie Gamgee · 08-18-2006, 06:47 AM

I agree with the Tel; more realistic battle sequences, more realistic elves. MUCH less special effects and sets, more location shooting. Better lighting, especially in the Lothlorien scenes. And something completely different for the Paths of the Dead, and the Dead themselves. Terribly done, IMHO.

Yeah, the Fellowship was the best; it relied on character and story, not special effects. The battles were real, gritty and real, not those seam-lined special effects bonanzas. Besides, Beans is alive in that one.

hectorberlioz · 08-18-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gwilwileth

ya. Money is no object.

Money is most definitely an object...look *holds some green stuff in his hands*

Curubethion · 08-18-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

hey, did anyone notice how bright shelobs lair was??? i mean what was Pj thinking

ok, i wouldn't have really cared if Pj had put in a few extra tunnels, but when the book clearly says over and over again that it was too dark to even see your hand in front of you there should be no light!!!!!

Shelob's lair would've been really boring then: a black screen for about eight minutes...yeah, that would've cleared the theater pretty quick.

Sam · 08-20-2006, 04:38 PM

actually, i had invisioned something copletely different.

hobbits enter shelob's lair, screen is black, nothing can be seen (except for maybe the hobbit's faces) cut scene, go to gandalf and pippin doin there thing. Cut scene, back to the hobbits, screen is still black, they find the webbing, cut through it with sting. thn eight bright green eyes behind them, frodo brings out the light of Galadriel, SHELOB!!!, hobbits run.

The Gaffer · 08-21-2006, 04:18 AM

Yeah, something similar to the final scene in Silence of the Lambs would have been good, perhaps shown from Shelob's perspective using some sort of groovy infravision type thing.

Rosie Gamgee · 08-21-2006, 06:43 AM

Oh, Shelob's tunnel definately needed help. Less light was in order, yes. I think it's from PJ's splatter-film roots; he wants to gross you out, not scare you. Because the darkness would have freaked out out more when Shelob was finally revealed than just having a big monster with lots of fuzz and skeletons hanging about.

Sam · 09-03-2006, 11:07 PM

Shelob's lair could've been one of if not the scariest part of the movie. I'm suprised that pj didn't capitolise.

06-21-2006, 05:50 AM	#1
gwilwileth Hobbit Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver, CANADA! Posts: 32	How would you have changed the setting? I was talking with Sam about some parts of the setting we would have changed. What would you have changed if you were making the movies? Would you have more computer generated scenes or less? Would the movies only be filmed in New Zealand or many different places? Money is no object. __________________ Gwilwileth, the Easterling Last edited by gwilwileth : 06-24-2006 at 12:28 AM.

06-24-2006, 12:29 AM	#3
gwilwileth Hobbit Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver, CANADA! Posts: 32	ya. Money is no object. __________________ Gwilwileth, the Easterling

06-25-2006, 09:44 PM	#4
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	I would use far less computer generated imagery. I always envisioned LOTR movie battle scenes more like the movie Braveheart. Highly realistic, even with trolls and orcs. There are many things I did not like about the visuals. I didn't even like Lothlorien. Too dreamy and fake looking. It's the same reason I got tired of the batman series after awhile, just fake. Look at batman beggins, highly realistic therefore much better. I prefer a more practical approach. Those flets and tree houses should have looked far more realistic; realistic lighting everything. Just people living in the forest, people highly adopted to do so, with the usual elvin creative flare, but still believeable in everyday sense. Another example are those dragons in the movie ring of fire. Very realistic feel throughout that movie. Dragons in the waking world feeling that. Frankly, the fellowship of the rings was the only one of the three that I did not walk out of. I was incredibly disappointed with them. __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Last edited by The Telcontarion : 06-25-2006 at 09:46 PM.

07-12-2006, 08:04 AM	#5
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	The Fake armies were TOO huge....I agree with Telcontarion. Lothlorien really sucked...not beautiful, not tree worthy. The emphasis on the colored lighting (gold/Rivendell, blue-nightime/Lothlorien, green/Shire etc ) was way overdone. __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 07-12-2006 at 09:28 PM.

07-12-2006, 09:39 AM	#6
Huorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fangorn's Treeherd Posts: 393	I would have changed the way they did the Ents. They made them look too much like walking Huorns or half asleep Ents. The book discribes Ents as having moss hair and beards, not branches and leaves! __________________ Silver Valley Oak As for me and my house we will serve the LORD Just call me Oakie

07-12-2006, 12:21 PM	#7
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	So....they were too barky/branchy/woody for you? The Ents would be very difficult....I don't think I could have done them well enough to satisfy myself. Treebeard was a bit of a dork though.... __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

07-12-2006, 12:56 PM	#8
Huorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fangorn's Treeherd Posts: 393	They looked too much like Huorns. They didn't look at all like they were discribed in the books. Ents were discribed in the books as being man-like somewhat trool like figures with a bark-like covering over the torso and legs. They had grey-green hair and beards. I would have liked it better if they had stuck closer to the text. __________________ Silver Valley Oak As for me and my house we will serve the LORD Just call me Oakie

07-12-2006, 01:37 PM	#9
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	shrugs I'm not an Entologist, so I don't know much about these things. They looked pretty good to me. I was dissapointed that Huorns actually never made it into the movie. They would have been cool. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

08-17-2006, 02:05 PM	#10
Sam Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 251	hey, did anyone notice how bright shelobs lair was??? i mean what was Pj thinking ok, i wouldn't have really cared if Pj had put in a few extra tunnels, but when the book clearly says over and over again that it was too dark to even see your hand in front of you there should be no light!!!!! __________________ Sam, son of Mark

08-18-2006, 06:47 AM	#11
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	I agree with the Tel; more realistic battle sequences, more realistic elves. MUCH less special effects and sets, more location shooting. Better lighting, especially in the Lothlorien scenes. And something completely different for the Paths of the Dead, and the Dead themselves. Terribly done, IMHO. Yeah, the Fellowship was the best; it relied on character and story, not special effects. The battles were real, gritty and real, not those seam-lined special effects bonanzas. Besides, Beans is alive in that one. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

08-20-2006, 04:38 PM	#14
Sam Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 251	actually, i had invisioned something copletely different. hobbits enter shelob's lair, screen is black, nothing can be seen (except for maybe the hobbit's faces) cut scene, go to gandalf and pippin doin there thing. Cut scene, back to the hobbits, screen is still black, they find the webbing, cut through it with sting. thn eight bright green eyes behind them, frodo brings out the light of Galadriel, SHELOB!!!, hobbits run. __________________ Sam, son of Mark

08-21-2006, 04:18 AM	#15
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Yeah, something similar to the final scene in Silence of the Lambs would have been good, perhaps shown from Shelob's perspective using some sort of groovy infravision type thing.

08-21-2006, 06:43 AM	#16
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Oh, Shelob's tunnel definately needed help. Less light was in order, yes. I think it's from PJ's splatter-film roots; he wants to gross you out, not scare you. Because the darkness would have freaked out out more when Shelob was finally revealed than just having a big monster with lots of fuzz and skeletons hanging about. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

09-03-2006, 11:07 PM	#17
Sam Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 251	Shelob's lair could've been one of if not the scariest part of the movie. I'm suprised that pj didn't capitolise. __________________ Sam, son of Mark

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