The Marriage of Mac and PC?

***Rían*** · 04-20-2006, 04:49 PM

Hey guys, I just heard something - has anyone else heard about it?

I heard there's a Mac coming out that's both a Mac and a PC! That way, one can have the best of both worlds in one machine. And they're totally separate, so a PC-based virus can't get to the Mac and vice-versa. If this is true, I"d consider getting one and using the Mac for my internet computer, because there's less viruses out for Macs (it's more fun for hackers to go for volume, I guess - tons of PCs out there, not as many Macs, but now that might change ... ) and the PC for all the other PC-based apps I have.

Anyway, so is this just a hoax, or is it "fer reel"?

Gordis · 04-20-2006, 04:57 PM

I am not a computer expert, but I believe it exists already for some years. Virtual PC program on a MAC OS X.
You have your MAC, but you can run Windows as well and all the PC programs - I have it myself at work.

***Rían*** · 04-20-2006, 05:43 PM

No, not virtual - actually TWO independent processors. You have to shut down one to boot up the other.

Curubethion · 04-20-2006, 08:25 PM

It's a new program Mac released called "Boot Camp".
Apple's Boot Camp page
It lets you run XP and Mac, and it doesn't sap up system performance when running XP, like Virtual PC does.

Personally, I think Apple's playing dirty now

***Khamûl*** · 04-20-2006, 09:13 PM

Interesting that this thread should show up, because this is something I've been following for a while now.

Apple recently released the Macbook Pro laptop with Intel processors instead of the old G4. The change in processors means that Apple and PCs are no longer, well, apples and oranges. With the Apple-released Boot Camp, you can boot Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. Right now, Boot Camp is just a beta, and I think the full version will be released as a part of OS X 10.5 (Leopard) in about January. The catch there is that you have to reboot every time you want to run Windows (and plus there are some driver issues right now).

A day after Apple announced Boot Camp, a company called Parallels released Parallels Workstation 2.1 Beta. It also allows you to boot XP on an Intel Mac, but from within OS X, meaning you don't have to reboot. It's more along the lines of Virtual PC, since I don't think that works with the new Macs. Here's a link: http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/ (Right now, it's just a 30-day trial, but the full version should go on sale soon.)

I haven't heard about a Mac with one processor running XP and the other running OS X though. I think the source of that rumor is that the new Macbook Pros have dual core processors -- instead of just one processor, they actually have two to add more power -- and can run XP.

I'm waiting for Apple to announce their redesigned iBooks and then I'm going to get one.

***Rían*** · 04-20-2006, 10:00 PM

That "boot camp" thing looks like it might be what I heard about. Interesting! Yeah, Mac sold their soul for filthy lucre ... *gives Mac people a poke in the ribs*

BeardofPants · 04-21-2006, 12:45 AM

The BF has the new laptop with the intel chip. He's dual booting XP & Mac OSX. Works fine so far - good for playing all those games we couldn't play before.

***HOBBIT*** · 04-21-2006, 01:04 AM

This may be what I'm looking for!

I need a laptop for college. I don't know whether to go Mac or PC. I'm used to PC and Windows but the university recommends Macs. Now maybe I can just by a Macbook Pro and do this! Switch back and forth from Windows XP to OS X.

I need to look into this and do more research though. Can you use Windows programs and all the media formats that don't work on OS X using this method?

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Of course Windows Vista is scheduled to come out around January. Vista may not work with Apple laptops.

BeardofPants · 04-21-2006, 03:31 AM

Yup. A dual-boot means that you are running both XP & OSX, so whilst in XP you can run anything you normally run.

The Gaffer · 04-21-2006, 04:22 AM

Ooh, lush. When you say dual boot, do you mean they are both running at the same time a la Virtual PC? Can you access one from the other (e.g. shared file system, clipboard, etc?)?

Apple have been a bit naughty, in that, if I understand it correctly, you can't boot OS 9 in post-Panther OS X versions, which nips my head.

04-20-2006, 04:49 PM	#1
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	The Marriage of Mac and PC? Hey guys, I just heard something - has anyone else heard about it? I heard there's a Mac coming out that's both a Mac and a PC! That way, one can have the best of both worlds in one machine. And they're totally separate, so a PC-based virus can't get to the Mac and vice-versa. If this is true, I"d consider getting one and using the Mac for my internet computer, because there's less viruses out for Macs (it's more fun for hackers to go for volume, I guess - tons of PCs out there, not as many Macs, but now that might change ... ) and the PC for all the other PC-based apps I have. Anyway, so is this just a hoax, or is it "fer reel"? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

04-20-2006, 05:43 PM	#3
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	No, not virtual - actually TWO independent processors. You have to shut down one to boot up the other. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

04-20-2006, 08:25 PM	#4
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	It's a new program Mac released called "Boot Camp". Apple's Boot Camp page It lets you run XP and Mac, and it doesn't sap up system performance when running XP, like Virtual PC does. Personally, I think Apple's playing dirty now __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

04-20-2006, 09:13 PM	#5
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Interesting that this thread should show up, because this is something I've been following for a while now. Apple recently released the Macbook Pro laptop with Intel processors instead of the old G4. The change in processors means that Apple and PCs are no longer, well, apples and oranges. With the Apple-released Boot Camp, you can boot Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. Right now, Boot Camp is just a beta, and I think the full version will be released as a part of OS X 10.5 (Leopard) in about January. The catch there is that you have to reboot every time you want to run Windows (and plus there are some driver issues right now). A day after Apple announced Boot Camp, a company called Parallels released Parallels Workstation 2.1 Beta. It also allows you to boot XP on an Intel Mac, but from within OS X, meaning you don't have to reboot. It's more along the lines of Virtual PC, since I don't think that works with the new Macs. Here's a link: http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/ (Right now, it's just a 30-day trial, but the full version should go on sale soon.) I haven't heard about a Mac with one processor running XP and the other running OS X though. I think the source of that rumor is that the new Macbook Pros have dual core processors -- instead of just one processor, they actually have two to add more power -- and can run XP. I'm waiting for Apple to announce their redesigned iBooks and then I'm going to get one. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

04-20-2006, 10:00 PM	#6
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	That "boot camp" thing looks like it might be what I heard about. Interesting! Yeah, Mac sold their soul for filthy lucre ... gives Mac people a poke in the ribs __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

04-20-2006, 04:57 PM	#2
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	I am not a computer expert, but I believe it exists already for some years. Virtual PC program on a MAC OS X. You have your MAC, but you can run Windows as well and all the PC programs - I have it myself at work.

04-21-2006, 12:45 AM	#7
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	The BF has the new laptop with the intel chip. He's dual booting XP & Mac OSX. Works fine so far - good for playing all those games we couldn't play before. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-21-2006, 01:04 AM	#8
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	This may be what I'm looking for! I need a laptop for college. I don't know whether to go Mac or PC. I'm used to PC and Windows but the university recommends Macs. Now maybe I can just by a Macbook Pro and do this! Switch back and forth from Windows XP to OS X. I need to look into this and do more research though. Can you use Windows programs and all the media formats that don't work on OS X using this method? ------ Of course Windows Vista is scheduled to come out around January. Vista may not work with Apple laptops. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

04-21-2006, 03:31 AM	#9
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yup. A dual-boot means that you are running both XP & OSX, so whilst in XP you can run anything you normally run. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-21-2006, 04:22 AM	#10
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Ooh, lush. When you say dual boot, do you mean they are both running at the same time a la Virtual PC? Can you access one from the other (e.g. shared file system, clipboard, etc?)? Apple have been a bit naughty, in that, if I understand it correctly, you can't boot OS 9 in post-Panther OS X versions, which nips my head.