Is a Woman President controversial?

hectorberlioz · 09-27-2005, 03:25 PM

I don't think it is. I don't think many people do either, but, in my opinion, Hillary seems to be 'cashing in' on that issue...
Thoughts?

brownjenkins · 09-27-2005, 03:33 PM

it's never happened in the US before, so it is for that reason... i think it'd be a good thing though... in a broad sense, from managing and working with other big corporations i tend to find female management a bit easier to work with temperment-wise... obviously there are exceptions on both sides, but i think it'd be worth a shot

Rconsole · 09-27-2005, 03:39 PM

We (Canada) had a female primeminister for a few months, a couple of years ago, and it didn't raise too many conflicts....but who would be the first lady? :P

Nerdanel · 09-27-2005, 03:40 PM

We have a female president, and there's nothing controversial about that. Next year we have elections, and she'll probably be re-elected.

Though the US is an entirely different case, I guess..

hectorberlioz · 09-27-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerdanel

We have a female president, and there's nothing controversial about that. Next year we have elections, and she'll probably be re-elected.

Though the US is an entirely different case, I guess..

Well, as BJenkin's said above...it would be a first. But I don't see why it would be tough...you see there's also a new show out over here about Geena Davis becoming president. It makes it look very taboo, and it just isn't.
But I'm starting to ask myself wether we're bieng made to think so: with the new show, and with Hillary's early campaigning.
You see, I don't think many people over here have a problem with it. But if people are made to think it's considered taboo-ish, people might get indignant, and perhaps a resounding victory for a woman candidate will be the result.
The thing to do though is make sure the right woman gets in.

Lotesse · 09-27-2005, 03:45 PM

I think its an excellent idea.

Insidious Rex · 09-27-2005, 03:46 PM

How bout a minority?

hectorberlioz · 09-27-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

How bout a minority?

If a minority qualifies

I want Condi in

Lotesse · 09-27-2005, 03:54 PM

CONDI?!? THAT idiot???

Oh, no, I have just lost a huge chunk of respect 4 ya, Mr. Berlioz!

just playin' - but boy howdy - you mean Condoleeza Rice? Oh my GOD that woman is the pits!!!!

***Jonathan*** · 09-27-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Is a Woman President controversial?
I don't think it is. I don't think many people do either, but, in my opinion, Hillary seems to be 'cashing in' on that issue...
Thoughts?

Well, Entmoot doesn't crash or anything when Nurvingiel stands in for you as president, Hector. So I think the US would be fine with a female chief of state

I'd like to see a woman president in the US soon. I think it would send positive signals around the world.

Nerdanel · 09-27-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

Well, Entmoot doesn't crash or anything when Nurvingiel stands in for you as president, Hector. So I think the US would be fine with a female chief of state

I'd like to see a woman president in the US soon. I think it would send positive signals around the world.

I agree.. Though it of course shouldn't be about gender. It isn't very durable to vote for a person just because that person is of a certain gender, we should rather vote for the person and the views and thoughts they stand for.

sun-star · 09-27-2005, 04:37 PM

Lots of countries have had female leaders - it's not a big deal. I think it would be a mistake for any candidate to deliberately make it seem controversial, because that can alienate as many people as it attracts. Personally, if I were running for office, I'd want voters to judge me as a politician rather than as a woman.

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in a broad sense, from managing and working with other big corporations i tend to find female management a bit easier to work with temperment-wise... obviously there are exceptions on both sides, but i think it'd be worth a shot

Good luck with that... Margaret Thatcher was one of the most controversial PMs we've ever had, but not because she was a woman

brownjenkins · 09-27-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sun-star

Good luck with that... Margaret Thatcher was one of the most controversial PMs we've ever had, but not because she was a woman

as i said, there are exceptions

but in general i find women more flexible and less hung up on principles from my personal experience (a plus in my mind)

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-27-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

How bout a minority?

I like Rice and would vote for her in a heart beat. That would almost be two minorities in one. Quite an accomplishment for those two groups I would say.

Nerdanel · 09-27-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

I like Rice and would vote for her in a heart beat. That would almost be two minorities in one. Quite an accomplishment for those two groups I would say.

Sorry, stupid question: two minorities? Which is the other one, if I can expect that you're talking about a racial minority?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-27-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerdanel

Sorry, stupid question: two minorities? Which is the other one, if I can expect that you're talking about a racial minority?

Well, Condi Rice is black, but she is also a woman. Here in the US there was a time when women were not quite equal. Only in the past 20 years or so, if that, have women branched out into the business world, executive positions, jobs as police officers, fire personel, and so forth. They still face opposition as equals in employment. So my reference to two minorities in one was woman-black.

Nerdanel · 09-27-2005, 05:37 PM

I guessed so.. But I just wouldn't refer to women as a minority. Though after your explanation, I think I understand what you mean: she's a woman in a branch traditionally dominated by men. Thanks for explaining.

inked · 09-27-2005, 05:41 PM

Only if its Hilary!

Rosie Gamgee · 09-27-2005, 06:41 PM

As a simple possiblity, a woman president doesn't seem so bad. But when I think of the possible candidates.... The idea scares me.

Curubethion · 09-27-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie Gamgee

As a simple possiblity, a woman president doesn't seem so bad. But when I think of the possible candidates.... The idea scares me.

Likewise...Martha Stewart?!?

Hillary Clinton!?!?

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brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	it's never happened in the US before, so it is for that reason... i think it'd be a good thing though... in a broad sense, from managing and working with other big corporations i tend to find female management a bit easier to work with temperment-wise... obviously there are exceptions on both sides, but i think it'd be worth a shot __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

09-27-2005, 03:40 PM	#4
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	We have a female president, and there's nothing controversial about that. Next year we have elections, and she'll probably be re-elected. Though the US is an entirely different case, I guess.. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

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09-27-2005, 03:39 PM	#3
Rconsole Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 359	We (Canada) had a female primeminister for a few months, a couple of years ago, and it didn't raise too many conflicts....but who would be the first lady? :P

09-27-2005, 03:54 PM	#9
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	CONDI?!? THAT idiot??? Oh, no, I have just lost a huge chunk of respect 4 ya, Mr. Berlioz! just playin' - but boy howdy - you mean Condoleeza Rice? Oh my GOD that woman is the pits!!!! __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

09-27-2005, 05:37 PM	#17
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	I guessed so.. But I just wouldn't refer to women as a minority. Though after your explanation, I think I understand what you mean: she's a woman in a branch traditionally dominated by men. Thanks for explaining. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

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09-27-2005, 06:41 PM	#19
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