A glass raised for India and Pakistan!

Lief Erikson · 04-23-2005, 12:51 AM

I am just delighted about recent developments between India and Pakistan, over Kashmir. The efforts the two countries are putting into their peace process since January have been paying off magnificently. The two leaders have promised that militant attacks will not stall the peace process, and are working together for a peaceful resolution to the situation. Bus services are working, and trade has been initiated running through Kashmir between the countries. Families are being reunited at last.

For those that don't know, Pakistan and India have fought two wars over Kashmir in the past. Both nations claim the entirety of the country.

Over the last several days, so many good developments have been happening that I just really want to raise a glass to the presidents of both countries, at least over this particular matter- Kashmir.

To a peaceful and prosperous future for Kashmir, the leaders of Pakistan and India, and to all those involved in this peace process!

(Sips from his wine glass)

Spock · 04-23-2005, 12:29 PM

I find it odd that both are racing to better their existing nuclear delivery systems.

Lief Erikson · 04-23-2005, 12:56 PM

(Hands Spock a glass of wine, rather forcefully

)

Spock · 04-23-2005, 12:58 PM

ahh, just in time for my cheese and crackers

Last Child of Ungoliant · 04-24-2005, 05:20 PM

and the outcome of the talks? to keep the status quo...if only that could have happened without all the military posturing!

**Nurvingiel** · 04-24-2005, 06:11 PM

Of course it's not resolved, or perfect, or anything ideal, but people are trying, and they have made a lot of progress. They certainly deserve props for that.

(This statement seems inadequate for what has been, and hopefully will be accomplished there. And I know the minutest possible amount about this... but it is complex - there are at least three sides to the issue.)

Last Child of Ungoliant · 04-24-2005, 06:14 PM

of course none of this would have been a problem if it weren't for the imperialistic policies of the country in which i unhappily reside, but then most problems in the world can be traced to the french, british and ottoman empires.

**Nurvingiel** · 04-24-2005, 06:15 PM

Well I don't think that helped. Colonization never helps in my opinion. But I also don't think that this is solely to blame for the issues there today.

I wish I knew more about the history of the area.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 04-24-2005, 06:22 PM

1700's - east india trading company set up offices on indian subcontinent
soon after - imperial british army invade in the name of the soveriegn
later - queen victoria named empress of india
indian mutiny - british forces kill thousands in cold blood
world war I
mahatma gandhi emigrates from south africa to british raj
world war II
1949 - independence!
india split into:
Burma, India, West Pakistan, East Pakistan (bangladesh)
millions migrate between states
pakistan's = mostly moslem
india = mostly hindu, some buddhist in north
kashmir split in two
many years of thaw and freeze politics, dominated in india by the gandhi family (not related to mahatma gandhi)
2005 - game of cricket and talks

a brief history of the indian subcontinent 1770-2005

Lief Erikson · 04-25-2005, 12:25 AM

You forget to mention the trade agreements that have been formed between India and Pakistan, and the successful bus road that is operating within Kashmir, linking the two countries. Trucks apparently are going to be passing through Kashmir between the countries.

04-23-2005, 12:51 AM	#1
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	A glass raised for India and Pakistan! I am just delighted about recent developments between India and Pakistan, over Kashmir. The efforts the two countries are putting into their peace process since January have been paying off magnificently. The two leaders have promised that militant attacks will not stall the peace process, and are working together for a peaceful resolution to the situation. Bus services are working, and trade has been initiated running through Kashmir between the countries. Families are being reunited at last. For those that don't know, Pakistan and India have fought two wars over Kashmir in the past. Both nations claim the entirety of the country. Over the last several days, so many good developments have been happening that I just really want to raise a glass to the presidents of both countries, at least over this particular matter- Kashmir. To a peaceful and prosperous future for Kashmir, the leaders of Pakistan and India, and to all those involved in this peace process! (Sips from his wine glass) __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

04-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#3
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	(Hands Spock a glass of wine, rather forcefully ) __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

04-23-2005, 12:58 PM	#4
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	ahh, just in time for my cheese and crackers __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

04-25-2005, 12:25 AM	#10
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	You forget to mention the trade agreements that have been formed between India and Pakistan, and the successful bus road that is operating within Kashmir, linking the two countries. Trucks apparently are going to be passing through Kashmir between the countries. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

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