If you were half-elf would you be mort or imortal

strider8 · 03-30-2005, 03:22 AM

The other day me and my brother were wandering if you were half-elf would you rather be off the race of men or would you be an elf.

strider8 · 03-30-2005, 09:42 AM

ANSWER THIS SOMEONE

strider8 · 03-30-2005, 10:10 AM

please!!!!!!!!!

inked · 03-30-2005, 04:13 PM

You would get to choose.

Elrond chose to be elf. His brother chose to be mortal.

Haradrim · 03-30-2005, 07:15 PM

actually I thought it was the children of the half elven who got to chose. I didnt think Elrond got to choose but I know his kids did. But IM going to interpret this thread differently. If you got to choose which would you pick. I think I would go immortal cuz I dont know it would be nice to get to see so much of what happened.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-30-2005, 07:17 PM

i would choose the life of the eldar, i would hate having to die

Telcontar_Dunedain · 03-31-2005, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

actually I thought it was the children of the half elven who got to chose. I didnt think Elrond got to choose but I know his kids did. But IM going to interpret this thread differently. If you got to choose which would you pick. I think I would go immortal cuz I dont know it would be nice to get to see so much of what happened.

No. Earendil, had the choice, as did Elrond, Elros, Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen. I wonder why Elros's children didn't get the choice when Elrond's did.

***azalea*** · 03-31-2005, 07:09 PM

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Beor · 04-01-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

No. Earendil, had the choice, as did Elrond, Elros, Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen. I wonder why Elros's children didn't get the choice when Elrond's did.

Because then there would be too many half elven people running around, and the story of Numenor would lose impact. Plus, eventually, the strain of half elven genes would wear thin, and eventually you would have 1/32 elven people running around wondering why they dont get the choice to be elves.

**Nurvingiel** · 04-01-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

i would choose the life of the eldar, i would hate having to die

Well I've got some bad news for you my friend...

I have absolutely no idea what I'd choose in this situation. On the one hand, there's Tuck Everlasting. Immortality can be a dangerous thing. On the other hand, it can be a wonderful thing! Then again, I don't mind being mortal right now. But if I was immortal would I choose to be mortal...?

Last Child of Ungoliant · 04-01-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nurvi

Well I've got some bad news for you my friend...

you mean, no, you must be joking, we all know the great spider will live forevermore

mwahahahaha

Beor · 04-01-2005, 09:03 PM

Oh, also, I would choose to be numbered among the mortals. Dang snooty elves! grumble grumble

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-01-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

No. Earendil, had the choice, as did Elrond, Elros, Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen. I wonder why Elros's children didn't get the choice when Elrond's did.

I would think that the biggest reason as to why Elros' children would not be given a choice was because of Elros' choice. He chose mortality, to be of the race of Men, so his descendants would also be mortal I would think.

Bombadillo · 04-02-2005, 01:24 AM

Can't all elves later chose to die evnetually anyway? Arwen was born immortal because her father chose immortality for himself and I guess ergo his children, and marrying Aragorn didn't make her half-elven and force her to pick between mortality or immortality, but she surrendered her immortality anyway.

If that's the case, I'd chose to be immortal, since it isn't really immortal anyway.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-02-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bombadillo

Can't all elves later chose to die evnetually anyway? Arwen was born immortal because her father chose immortality for himself and I guess ergo his children, and marrying Aragorn didn't make her half-elven and force her to pick between mortality or immortality, but she surrendered her immortality anyway.

If that's the case, I'd chose to be immortal, since it isn't really immortal anyway.

All Elves could not choose death. We have exceptions such as Luthien and Miriel, where they lay themselves down and depart from their bodies to Mandos. However, they can return to life, but some chose not to return to life, as Miriel and Aegnor did, and would remain in the halls of Mandos to the end of the world.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 04-02-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

I would think that the biggest reason as to why Elros' children would not be given a choice was because of Elros' choice. He chose mortality, to be of the race of Men, so his descendants would also be mortal I would think.

Then why did Elrond's children? Elrond chose to be one of the Elves so how did his children get the choice?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-02-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

Then why did Elrond's children? Elrond chose to be one of the Elves so how did his children get the choice?

It would seem that by Elros choosing to be mortal, he was now a Man and the choice stopped there for his descendants, meaning that once he was a mortal, all of his children would be mortal. Elrond however, chose to be of the Eldar and immortal, but this did not stop with his choice, because his children would be more Elven than human, and therefore must be given the choice as well.

Beor · 04-02-2005, 10:53 AM

It seems to me that in Tolkien's mythology, mortality is the greater gift, which may be why it did stop with elros.

Morgoth the Elfbit · 04-02-2005, 02:51 PM

I dont know about immortality being the greater gift. Remember originally death wasnt considered bad for men. Only after Morgoth confused their idea of it did they begin to envy elves. Elves also envied men for their gift of not being bound to this world. I think they are both equal but for me I would pick immortality.

**Nurvingiel** · 04-02-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

It would seem that by Elros choosing to be mortal, he was now a Man and the choice stopped there for his descendants, meaning that once he was a mortal, all of his children would be mortal. Elrond however, chose to be of the Eldar and immortal, but this did not stop with his choice, because his children would be more Elven than human, and therefore must be given the choice as well.

Your post really solidified this concept for me. I see it as Elrond's children also being immortal, but like Elros (who was born immortal), they could also choose mortality.

I guess it only goes immortality > mortality and not the other way around.

03-30-2005, 03:22 AM	#1
strider8 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a spaceship, floating in your puny planet's atmosphere, awaiting orders to invade Posts: 292	If you were half-elf would you be mort or imortal The other day me and my brother were wandering if you were half-elf would you rather be off the race of men or would you be an elf.

03-30-2005, 09:42 AM	#2
strider8 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a spaceship, floating in your puny planet's atmosphere, awaiting orders to invade Posts: 292	ANSWER THIS SOMEONE __________________ The axes hewed Forlong as he fought alone and unhorsed; and both Duilin of Morthond and his brother were trampled to death when they assailed the mumakil,leading their bowmen close to shoot at the eyes of the monsters. Neither Hirluin the fair would return to Pinnath Gelin, nor Grimbold to Grimslade, nor Halbarad to the northlands,dour-handed Ranger. Those that would not return home, page830-831, The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, The Return of the King

03-30-2005, 10:10 AM	#3
strider8 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a spaceship, floating in your puny planet's atmosphere, awaiting orders to invade Posts: 292	please!!!!!!!!! __________________ The axes hewed Forlong as he fought alone and unhorsed; and both Duilin of Morthond and his brother were trampled to death when they assailed the mumakil,leading their bowmen close to shoot at the eyes of the monsters. Neither Hirluin the fair would return to Pinnath Gelin, nor Grimbold to Grimslade, nor Halbarad to the northlands,dour-handed Ranger. Those that would not return home, page830-831, The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, The Return of the King

03-30-2005, 04:13 PM	#4
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	You would get to choose. Elrond chose to be elf. His brother chose to be mortal. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

03-30-2005, 07:15 PM	#5
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	actually I thought it was the children of the half elven who got to chose. I didnt think Elrond got to choose but I know his kids did. But IM going to interpret this thread differently. If you got to choose which would you pick. I think I would go immortal cuz I dont know it would be nice to get to see so much of what happened. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-30-2005, 07:17 PM	#6
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i would choose the life of the eldar, i would hate having to die

03-31-2005, 07:09 PM	#8
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	This belongs in the ME forum, so it has been moved. Also, this has been discussed before, so if you wish to see more opinions on the subject, try a seach. Finally, please remember that posting three times in a row can be considered spamming. Try to be patient when awaiting replies. Thanks.

04-01-2005, 09:03 PM	#12
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	Oh, also, I would choose to be numbered among the mortals. Dang snooty elves! grumble grumble __________________ Well, there it is.

04-02-2005, 01:24 AM	#14
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Can't all elves later chose to die evnetually anyway? Arwen was born immortal because her father chose immortality for himself and I guess ergo his children, and marrying Aragorn didn't make her half-elven and force her to pick between mortality or immortality, but she surrendered her immortality anyway. If that's the case, I'd chose to be immortal, since it isn't really immortal anyway. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

04-02-2005, 10:53 AM	#18
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	It seems to me that in Tolkien's mythology, mortality is the greater gift, which may be why it did stop with elros. __________________ Well, there it is.

04-02-2005, 02:51 PM	#19
Morgoth the Elfbit Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I split my time between Mordor and your Imagination Posts: 30	I dont know about immortality being the greater gift. Remember originally death wasnt considered bad for men. Only after Morgoth confused their idea of it did they begin to envy elves. Elves also envied men for their gift of not being bound to this world. I think they are both equal but for me I would pick immortality. __________________ Newly Reincarnated from Haradrim Here is my permanent apology for off-topicing. If I do it, which i will, I am sorry. I feel bad about it but being an elfbit messes with your head and things get wonky so spamming is almost inevitable. There will be good replys but for when I do off-topic I am deeply sorry. Offical title: Morgoth the Elfbit: Un-Official Court Jester of the Entmoot At Your Service.... BOW TO ME! Miranda Otto is hot! I Kinda Like Feanor.... (meep)

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