Liars and deceivers

[QueenAnnesLace]

One of my biggest pet peeves are people that lie.What is so hard about telling the truth?Why do people time and time again pretend that they are something that they aren't?I've always prided myself on being truthful and forthright.I was inspired to create this thread due to all of the deception surrounding the current existing bans.Your thoughts?

[Radagast]

I am intensely curious surrounding the bans. I demand to know why there are such bans.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Radagast
I am intensely curious surrounding the bans. I demand to know why there are such bans.

I would have thought you would have been aware as to why these bans occurred, considering that most of the violations took place in one of your own threads. But to answer your question Radagast, there are such bans because this is a moderated MB, and it is the staffs job to try and keep the board running smoothly. I'm not a big one for moving straight to banning, but after several ignored warnings, it is the only alternative left.

[Coney II]

Originally posted by Radagast
I am intensely curious surrounding the bans. I demand to know why there are such bans.

Well I was "rewarded" with my ban a while ago for talking about Smurf Sex (posts are prolly still in the Anything thread if it still exists)

Oh.......and a general reluctance to stick to the pg-13 status of the moot........a coupla flame wars.....and prolly a plethora of complaints about me........but apart from that lil' lot, nothing special

Coney
Not a Model Poster

[QueenAnnesLace]

I just think that people that lie all of the time arent ever taken the right way,or even seriously at that.They claim to be one thing but are another.People can't portray people correctly if they aren't upfront with others.But yet they always complain that they aren't taken the right way.Some people need to get real.

[Coney II]

Originally posted by QueenAnnesLace
I just think that people that lie all of the time arent ever taken the right way,or even seriously at that.They claim to be one thing but are another.People can't portray people correctly if they aren't upfront with others.But yet they always complain that they aren't taken the right way.Some people need to get real.

If it's the internet you're talkin' about, as opposed to Real Life, then it depends.

I've bumped into folks on the net who live total fantasy lives on here......reinventing themselves or totally fictionlising who and what they are. If that is their form of escapism then I have no problem with that as long as it doesn't affect my Real Life.

Like you say tho'......people will never take them seriously.....if they are happy with the fantasy internet life fine......as long as they are aware that it will always be a shallow one.

[Janny]

Yes, right here... *looks at title* I'm sorry, I just see 'liars' and assume it's going to be followed by 'anonymous'...

Yes, I have that little truth obcession now... many, many songs I've written cannot escape the word 'truth' or 'true' or something in it. This was brought on by a bit of a break up... anyway, my motive in breaking up was that I was tired of her being such a show... it was someone I saw in and out of school, and I was dating two people. She took it very badly and reverted, intreguingly, to the one I didn't like only. But actually, I don't feel bad about the whole (actuall nasty and drawn out) affair (that is the break up) because I learnt the truth about the person. It made me accutely aware of the genuineness of my other friends. I don't know... I wouldn't change the past because I learnt the truth.

But is that what you were getting at? I mean, do you mean complsive liars or people living a fraud?

[QueenAnnesLace]

Originally posted by Coney II
If it's the internet you're talkin' about, as opposed to Real Life, then it depends.

I was talking about just in the everyday world,not internet.I couldn't believe anything someone says on here unless I actually knew them.With the internet people constantly reinvent themselves.But even then there are a lot of nice honest people(you know who you are).

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[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Coney II
If it's the internet you're talkin' about, as opposed to Real Life, then it depends.

I've bumped into folks on the net who live total fantasy lives on here......reinventing themselves or totally fictionlising who and what they are. If that is their form of escapism then I have no problem with that as long as it doesn't affect my Real Life.

Like you say tho'......people will never take them seriously.....if they are happy with the fantasy internet life fine......as long as they are aware that it will always be a shallow one.

Question: Do you think that because it is the internet, it is more justified to be deceptive? I think people have to safeguard themselves on the internet from such people as that, but I don't think the internet means it's okay to be a liar or deceiving. A lie is a lie and the truth is the truth, nomatter what the venue. I would think though, that we would expect more honesty on a MB that becomes a much closer community than say, chatrooms do.

[Coney II]

Originally posted by QueenAnnesLace
I was talking about just in the everyday world,not internet.I couldn't believe anything someone says on here unless I actually knew them.With the internet people constantly reinvent themselves.But even then there are a lot of nice honest people(you know who you are).

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Wot's real life gotta do with the deception around the bans?

Anyhoo......with Real Life I've found that spotting liers becomes far easier as I've gotten older and [alledgedly] wiser......once bitten, twice as sly, kinda thing

[Janny]

Ah... I didn't catch that last bit of your initial post... what deception?

[QueenAnnesLace]

Originally posted by Janny
Yes, right here... *looks at title* I'm sorry, I just see 'liars' and assume it's going to be followed by 'anonymous'...

Yes, I have that little truth obcession now... many, many songs I've written cannot escape the word 'truth' or 'true' or something in it. This was brought on by a bit of a break up... anyway, my motive in breaking up was that I was tired of her being such a show... it was someone I saw in and out of school, and I was dating two people. She took it very badly and reverted, intreguingly, to the one I didn't like only. But actually, I don't feel bad about the whole (actuall nasty and drawn out) affair (that is the break up) because I learnt the truth about the person. It made me accutely aware of the genuineness of my other friends. I don't know... I wouldn't change the past because I learnt the truth.

But is that what you were getting at? I mean, do you mean complsive liars or people living a fraud?

Both.As in people that act different depending on where they are who they are with etc.I mean there are exceptions.Like you would normally act one way in your normal everyday life but a person that tends to be flambouant would have to chill out at work or school.Its not so much changing to be deceiving but to be respectful.And as for compulsive liars can't stand them!!!It is pretty entertaining sometimes though when you get to watch them trip all over thier lies

[QueenAnnesLace]

Oh and sorry about your luck.As the old saying goes "live and learn".At this point of my life I've learned more than I ever needed to.

[Janny]

So this is a vent thread interspersed with gloating?







Thanks, but I don't consider my luck bad. Live and learn. I sincerely mean I don't feel I've lost a tremendous deal.

[QueenAnnesLace]

Originally posted by Coney II
Wot's real life gotta do with the deception around the bans?

Anyhoo......with Real Life I've found that spotting liers becomes far easier as I've gotten older and [alledgedly] wiser......once bitten, twice as sly, kinda thing

It was just my inspiration.I'm talking about overall in general.

[Coney II]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Question: Do you think that because it is the internet, it is more justified to be deceptive?

I don't know about "justified" but the anonymity afforded from the net certainly seems to make lying easier for some people. Also there is the level of deception involved. A lot of people like to pretend they are handsome/rich/beautifull/mega succesfull on the net....which I suppose is all superficial and they are only fooling themselves. It's when the deception turns evil (this horrible practice of peadophiles decieving children etc) that deception is certainly not justified.

I suppose it's like the old wives saying "A white lie isn't a lie, because it doesn't hurt anyone"

As for the current 'moot "scandal" pretending to be someone else entirely to circumvent a ban.......I don't see the point at all, the same with alt nicknames....most of us use messageboards to socialise.....wot's the point if your former friends don't know it's you? *shrugs*

I think people have to safeguard themselves on the internet from such people as that, but I don't think the internet means it's okay to be a liar or deceiving. A lie is a lie and the truth is the truth, nomatter what the venue.

Personally, I take 99% of the things I read/see on the internet with a pinch of salt. Which I suppose is my own way of protecting myself from that kinda thing. The trouble with this text based medium is that it takes a looong time to communicate enough to really get to know someone. And even after months or years of writing to each other.......if you eventually meet in RL then there are still gonna be a few surprises (hopefully pleasant ones)........of course, if lies and deception have been part of the communicae via the net, meeting in real life is gonna be a big disapointment, if not downright dangerous.

I would think though, that we would expect more honesty on a MB that becomes a much closer community than say, chatrooms do.

Very much so *shudders*.....chatrooms are very strange places (I should know...I used to run one ).

[Earniel]

Hm, I may be not the most truthful person around, I have lied sufficiently in my life. Mostly to cover up for my laziness and lateness with tasks , and sometimes so spare somebody's feelings or to keep somebody's secret safe.

But I have never lied about who I am or posed as someone else who was different from me. I don't see any reason to do so because I am content with who I am and above that, it's not fair to the others. If you can't trust somebody to be truthful about simple things like who you are, than what can you trust? Which is why I have repeatedly (and will probably continue to do so) fallen for second identities of Entmoot posters. Maybe I am too trusting, although naive and gulilbe is probably a better suited word. But there is little fun to be had from deceiving me because I will with a high probability fall for anything.

Honesty dicates me to say that I doubt I could pull it off, pretending to be somebody different from myself. There would always be enough of me shining to identify me. Besides, I'd feel bad for trying.

I can understand why people would lie about themselves, here on the internet or in real life, but I can not agree with it. There are some who don't like who they are or fear they won't be liked or accepted the way they are. But there are also some who take joy out of deceiving people and letting people believe things that aren't.

[eowyngirl14]

whats all this about bans? people can come back with a new name after they are banned? doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose?

[QueenAnnesLace]

Originally posted by eowyngirl14
whats all this about bans? people can come back with a new name after they are banned? doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose?

That would be correct.But some people out there seem to think they are above the rules.It's just one of those situations that someone has no self control.

[brownjenkins]

guess i missed a bit over the last few days... who's banned?

on lying... i generally agree that the truth is a good thing, but one should never let the facts get it the way of a good story

there are harmless lies, entertaining lies and well-intentioned lies... the question should be, is there a victim?