Anticipated Additional Scenes - ROTK / EE

***Valandil*** · 04-07-2004, 10:33 AM

It's been awhile since we discussed these, but these are the additional scenes I expect will actually be included in the extended edition of "Return of the King" (from what we saw in trailers, heard in rumors, etc). Can anyone think of others? Don't include scenes we KNOW won't be there (ie, 'Scouring of the Shire'):
[list=1][*]Death of Saruman & Grima Wormtongue[*]Aragorn uses Palantir of Orthanc[*]Ghan-buri-ghan leads Rohirrim thru Druadan Forest to Minas Tirith[*]Confrontation of Gandalf & Witch King[*]Houses of Healing[*]Frodo & Sam 'captured' by marching orcs in Mordor - and their subsequent escape[*]Mouth of Sauron[*]Faramir + Eowyn[/list=1]

Which of these do you most look forward to seeing?

Finrod Felagund · 04-07-2004, 10:34 AM

I think that Gandalf and the witchking's confrontation will be cool!

brownjenkins · 04-07-2004, 10:51 AM

wow... i didn't realize there were so many... i look forward to them all... the more the better

hectorberlioz · 04-07-2004, 11:41 AM

I think the scenes where sam and frodo are captured by orcs are the scenes I want to see the most. It'll be good to see more book in the movie.
I was really relieved when I saw the EE of FotR, which I thought was great when extended.

***Valandil*** · 04-07-2004, 12:16 PM

I tried to place them in the order I expect they would appear. Hadn't we heard that there would be an extra 65 minutes? (with some rumors of a 5 hour total - which would be +100 minutes!) Some of that, I'm sure, will just be 'fleshing-out' other scenes. I'm fairly certain I've heard or seen mention of each of the above though.

I'm not even sure which I'll like the most...

brownjenkins · 04-07-2004, 01:15 PM

ghan-buri-ghan would be interesting... i'd not heard about that at all... i wonder who plays him?

***Valandil*** · 04-07-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by brownjenkins
ghan-buri-ghan would be interesting... i'd not heard about that at all... i wonder who plays him?

Don't know - but Dunedain once posted about how he had been listed in the credits - and was later removed. That's the only indication I have for that scene.

cassiopeia · 04-07-2004, 08:35 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing Saruman die. I've been waiting three years to see him fall onto that spiked wheel! Sheesh.

There are going to be a lot of small additions to scenes, like in the other EE DVDs. I want to see more of Cirith Ungol; it seemed to me, when I watched the movie, that quite a bit was cut from those scenes.

**Nurvingiel** · 04-08-2004, 12:09 AM

I hope the Houses of Healing and Faramir and Eowyn are in there.

But if the Houses are in, how does that explain Merry at the Black Gate? Will he experience a magically quick recovery, or will he not be injured as badly from stabbing the Witch-king in the back of the knee?

***Valandil*** · 04-08-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
I hope the Houses of Healing and Faramir and Eowyn are in there.

But if the Houses are in, how does that explain Merry at the Black Gate? Will he experience a magically quick recovery, or will he not be injured as badly from stabbing the Witch-king in the back of the knee?

Don't know exactly... maybe the 'Houses' part focuses more on Aragorn's healing of Eowyn and Faramir... maybe Merry gets back up on his feet to do that ole hobbit toughness!

Telcontar · 04-08-2004, 07:45 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing the Mouth of Sauron and Gandalf vs Witchking.

Is the latter the part that was shown in the original theatrical trailer but was never shown in the theatrical release? I'm talking about where Gandalf confronts the W.K. at what appears to be a tower in Minas Tirith. I wondered why they hadn't included it in the movie.

***Valandil*** · 04-09-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Telcontar
Is the latter the part that was shown in the original theatrical trailer but was never shown in the theatrical release? I'm talking about where Gandalf confronts the W.K. at what appears to be a tower in Minas Tirith. I wondered why they hadn't included it in the movie.

I imagine so... and I have NO IDEA why it didn't make the theatrical release... it seems like it could have been a VERY cool scene. At least it must have that potential.

Has anyone heard a release date for the EE? I know there's some May date out there for a release... I ASSUME theatrical...???

Lalaith_Elf · 04-09-2004, 10:05 AM

I read somewhere that the Theatrical Version is going to be released around the 25th of May, and the EE version in August/November - but it's not official.

I can't wait to see the EE DVD. I can't really pick a scene out of the above. I want to see them all.

Orli17 · 04-11-2004, 01:47 PM

yea teh whole movie kinda didn't make sense. sometiems it'd get cut off adn ur like hey we were watching the siege battles and then now we're at the rohan encampment and all....and Merry all healthy to face the Black Gate was certianly confusing if you didn't read teh book.
i think the normal version is incomplete and the EE wil tell the complete story.... i wanna see faramir and eowyn get together in the houses of healing and all. And merry recovering....when exactly is it coming out again? Cuz i was goin to bkk this summer and if its not out by then guess i'll have to buy it in singapore ....

***azalea*** · 04-11-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Orli17
Merry all healthy to face the Black Gate was certianly confusing if you didn't read teh book.

It was confusing even if you did read the book!

Orli17 · 04-12-2004, 04:20 AM

indeed.....i think they shouldn't have cut out main parts...ppl were prob really baffled....hmmmm

***Valandil*** · 04-12-2004, 11:37 AM

Yeah... imagine - a 3 hour, 20 minute movie that just seems all chopped up! Shows how big a task this whole project was... even after cutting, cutting and MORE cutting, it was still three LONG movies.

I almost wonder if the more cohesive stories will be the extended editions, rather than the theatrical versions. In some cases (like other movies) you might expect the additional stuff of an EE to be un-necessary to the advancement of the story. However, in the case of the LOTR movies, the added segments in the EE's really 'flesh out' the story. Maybe at some point, that even became the aim of the production team: sort of, 'We'll tell the WHOLE story, as much as we can, in the extended editions, then we'll trim whatever we possibly can to make it short enough to be workable in a theater.' The goal MAY have become (especially once great profits were assured anyway) to make the EE more important than the theatrical. Ironic, if true... and backwards to how most production teams would approach a problem.

Orli17 · 04-12-2004, 12:29 PM

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The goal MAY have become (especially once great profits were assured anyway) to make the EE more important than the theatrical

I dun really think they intended to make the EE more important. It just happened to BE important cuz unless you read the book and you happened to watch ROTK you'll be kinda clueless. That's what i think.....

zinnite · 04-12-2004, 04:05 PM

Based on experience from the other two EEs, I predict "additional" and "extended" bodily function scenes. As good as the EEs have been, it's also obvious that PJ doesn't want to leave any belching and burping on the cutting room floor.

Fimbrethil · 04-12-2004, 09:26 PM

Off subject but, how would they kill Sauromon and Grima if there is no Scouring of the Shire? If the 5 hour thing is true then I would expect Ghan-buri-ghan to be in it because to explain or show that whole story there I'd say a good 30 min. are needed. It wouldn't suprise me if they did make the EE more important...simply because this was different from other movies so why not have everyhitng different? Why exactly was Merry at the Black Gates? He was supposed to be hurt. Wasn't Pip supposed to be hurt to? I really need to reread the books.

04-07-2004, 10:33 AM	#1
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Anticipated Additional Scenes - ROTK / EE It's been awhile since we discussed these, but these are the additional scenes I expect will actually be included in the extended edition of "Return of the King" (from what we saw in trailers, heard in rumors, etc). Can anyone think of others? Don't include scenes we KNOW won't be there (ie, 'Scouring of the Shire'): [list=1][]Death of Saruman & Grima Wormtongue[]Aragorn uses Palantir of Orthanc[]Ghan-buri-ghan leads Rohirrim thru Druadan Forest to Minas Tirith[]Confrontation of Gandalf & Witch King[]Houses of Healing[]Frodo & Sam 'captured' by marching orcs in Mordor - and their subsequent escape[]Mouth of Sauron[]Faramir + Eowyn[/list=1] Which of these do you most look forward to seeing? __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

04-07-2004, 10:34 AM	#2
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	I think that Gandalf and the witchking's confrontation will be cool! __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

04-07-2004, 10:51 AM	#3
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	wow... i didn't realize there were so many... i look forward to them all... the more the better __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

04-07-2004, 11:41 AM	#4
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I think the scenes where sam and frodo are captured by orcs are the scenes I want to see the most. It'll be good to see more book in the movie. I was really relieved when I saw the EE of FotR, which I thought was great when extended. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

04-07-2004, 12:16 PM	#5
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	I tried to place them in the order I expect they would appear. Hadn't we heard that there would be an extra 65 minutes? (with some rumors of a 5 hour total - which would be +100 minutes!) Some of that, I'm sure, will just be 'fleshing-out' other scenes. I'm fairly certain I've heard or seen mention of each of the above though. I'm not even sure which I'll like the most... __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

04-07-2004, 01:15 PM	#6
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	ghan-buri-ghan would be interesting... i'd not heard about that at all... i wonder who plays him? __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

04-07-2004, 08:35 PM	#8
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I'm looking forward to seeing Saruman die. I've been waiting three years to see him fall onto that spiked wheel! Sheesh. There are going to be a lot of small additions to scenes, like in the other EE DVDs. I want to see more of Cirith Ungol; it seemed to me, when I watched the movie, that quite a bit was cut from those scenes. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

04-08-2004, 07:45 PM	#11
Telcontar Enting Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 53	I'm looking forward to seeing the Mouth of Sauron and Gandalf vs Witchking. Is the latter the part that was shown in the original theatrical trailer but was never shown in the theatrical release? I'm talking about where Gandalf confronts the W.K. at what appears to be a tower in Minas Tirith. I wondered why they hadn't included it in the movie. __________________ "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." - Gandalf the Grey (FOTR) "Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Kingdom Proverb Kill Bill Volume 1)

04-09-2004, 10:05 AM	#13
Lalaith_Elf Her Infernal Majesty Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,188	I read somewhere that the Theatrical Version is going to be released around the 25th of May, and the EE version in August/November - but it's not official. I can't wait to see the EE DVD. I can't really pick a scene out of the above. I want to see them all. __________________ "It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo

04-11-2004, 01:47 PM	#14
Orli17 Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Degobah Posts: 169	yea teh whole movie kinda didn't make sense. sometiems it'd get cut off adn ur like hey we were watching the siege battles and then now we're at the rohan encampment and all....and Merry all healthy to face the Black Gate was certianly confusing if you didn't read teh book. i think the normal version is incomplete and the EE wil tell the complete story.... i wanna see faramir and eowyn get together in the houses of healing and all. And merry recovering....when exactly is it coming out again? Cuz i was goin to bkk this summer and if its not out by then guess i'll have to buy it in singapore .... __________________ ~~E-M-I-K-O---T-H-E-I-N~~ LEGOLAS GREENLEAF 10 Things You'll Find in Legolas' Backpack - Elvensmiths & Co. 10. hairbrush 9. blower 8. powder 7. Enya’s "the Memory of Trees" CD 6. cold cream 5. mud packs 4. First Aid kit 3. shampoo and conditioner 2. his picture 1. 101 Ways to Become the Prettiest Thing in Middle Earth that is from theonering.net 'tookish ticklers top ten things'...just citing my sources.....

04-12-2004, 04:20 AM	#16
Orli17 Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Degobah Posts: 169	indeed.....i think they shouldn't have cut out main parts...ppl were prob really baffled....hmmmm __________________ ~~E-M-I-K-O---T-H-E-I-N~~ LEGOLAS GREENLEAF 10 Things You'll Find in Legolas' Backpack - Elvensmiths & Co. 10. hairbrush 9. blower 8. powder 7. Enya’s "the Memory of Trees" CD 6. cold cream 5. mud packs 4. First Aid kit 3. shampoo and conditioner 2. his picture 1. 101 Ways to Become the Prettiest Thing in Middle Earth that is from theonering.net 'tookish ticklers top ten things'...just citing my sources.....

04-12-2004, 11:37 AM	#17
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Yeah... imagine - a 3 hour, 20 minute movie that just seems all chopped up! Shows how big a task this whole project was... even after cutting, cutting and MORE cutting, it was still three LONG movies. I almost wonder if the more cohesive stories will be the extended editions, rather than the theatrical versions. In some cases (like other movies) you might expect the additional stuff of an EE to be un-necessary to the advancement of the story. However, in the case of the LOTR movies, the added segments in the EE's really 'flesh out' the story. Maybe at some point, that even became the aim of the production team: sort of, 'We'll tell the WHOLE story, as much as we can, in the extended editions, then we'll trim whatever we possibly can to make it short enough to be workable in a theater.' The goal MAY have become (especially once great profits were assured anyway) to make the EE more important than the theatrical. Ironic, if true... and backwards to how most production teams would approach a problem. __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

04-12-2004, 04:05 PM	#19
zinnite Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lawrence, Kansas, USA Posts: 195	Based on experience from the other two EEs, I predict "additional" and "extended" bodily function scenes. As good as the EEs have been, it's also obvious that PJ doesn't want to leave any belching and burping on the cutting room floor. __________________ A citizen runs to the fire department yelling that he's spotted a roaring blaze from his car. "WHERE IS IT?" the fire department asks, pen ready. "It rises like some brooding , glaring trail of cosmic fury from- " "WHERE? WHERE?" "Oh. Well, it blazes up from a crimson-sheathed visage brooding darkly above the haunted towers of impotent indignity which, like melons hovering unhappily over lifetimes of empty meaning which-" "THE ADDRESS!" "Oh. Oh, I didn't notice. But look for a brooding, glaring trail of cosmic fury rising from a crimson-sheathed visage-" They lead him back to his car, and send him on. -- Philip K. Dick "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Diderot

04-12-2004, 09:26 PM	#20
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Off subject but, how would they kill Sauromon and Grima if there is no Scouring of the Shire? If the 5 hour thing is true then I would expect Ghan-buri-ghan to be in it because to explain or show that whole story there I'd say a good 30 min. are needed. It wouldn't suprise me if they did make the EE more important...simply because this was different from other movies so why not have everyhitng different? Why exactly was Merry at the Black Gates? He was supposed to be hurt. Wasn't Pip supposed to be hurt to? I really need to reread the books. __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

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