A Nit-pickers guide to deviations between the books and the films

Melko Belcha · 01-30-2004, 10:21 AM

I saw this at another site and found it interesting.

http://jackflannel.org/lotr/

mithrand1r · 01-30-2004, 02:25 PM

Excellent site.

Phil does a very good job of documenting the difference of the film compared to the books.

I enjoyed look through his highlighted points. Many I never thought much about, such as the Black Gate or Minas Morgul.

Shadowfax · 01-30-2004, 02:52 PM

COol site! Thanks.

dawningoftime · 01-30-2004, 10:06 PM

My friend and I were reading those today and some of the points were like, who cares. The fact that someone would take the time to point out all of the differences shows that person has no life.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-30-2004, 11:26 PM

I thought is was a great site!

About the Nazgul swooping over Minas Tirith, picking soldiers off the battlements, I think the author also should have included that Legolas shot one of the winged mounts in FotR.
I always made a connection between that and the Nazgul keeping out of bowshot of the city. Legolas showed them that they weren't invulnerable (then Eowyn really drove the point home.

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hectorberlioz · 01-31-2004, 12:08 AM

well alot of it is extreme nit picking. like gandalf shooting off a little bit of sparks for the children, i didnt mind that.
but of course there were the big things too...

Tuor of Gondolin · 01-31-2004, 12:24 AM

An interesting site, especially since he makes it clear it's done mainly for fun and acknowledges some are very minor. One I haven't mentioned, but I think was one more error by PJ not to put in the film was:
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NITPICKERS GUIDE: #43:
"The number of the Fellowship was to be nine as a counter to the nine Black Riders. This number is set before anyone volunteers to join the Fellowship (FOTR p.360). Jackson portrays the number of companions in the Fellowship being the result of another logic (i.e. Sam, Merry, and Pippin all showing up). In addition, the members of the Fellowship are chosen after the Council whereas Jackson has the membership of the Fellowship set and the conclusion of the Council. The idea that there are nine companions in the Fellowship to counter the nine Black Riders is never touched on in Jackson's film."
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Why in the movie couldn't Elrond have concluded the selection of the Nine Walkers with a statement something like: "And the free peoples of Middle-earth shall set the Nine Walkers against the Nine Riders."?

("Oh, and Arwen, you stay home and (knit, sew, whatever) a nice banner.")

One other thing, rereading part of the appendix, it's remarkable how much PJ and friends destroyed Elrond's character. In retrospect it's hard to say which was messed with more, Elrond's or Denethor's.

Gerbil · 02-02-2004, 07:48 PM

There's only 1 change that bothers me, it's roughly between the start of FotR and the end of RotK. You may miss it, it's very quick - merely 9 and a half hours long or so.

**Nurvingiel** · 02-05-2004, 03:48 AM

Nice one Gerbil!

Tuor, you know you're a nitpicker, when you nitpick a nitpicker site.

Victoria · 02-05-2004, 05:01 AM

no biggie about the differences....the movies turned out great....

matthew · 02-07-2004, 12:24 PM

Nit picking? This is important! PJ screwed up so we have to point out his wrongdoings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

BeardofPants · 02-07-2004, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gerbil
There's only 1 change that bothers me, it's roughly between the start of FotR and the end of RotK. You may miss it, it's very quick - merely 9 and a half hours long or so.

Damn, I blinked - I think I missed it!! Could you point it out again?

Gerbil · 02-07-2004, 02:55 PM

You need to be quick on that 'pause' button to catch it

01-30-2004, 10:21 AM	#1
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	A Nit-pickers guide to deviations between the books and the films I saw this at another site and found it interesting. http://jackflannel.org/lotr/ __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

01-30-2004, 02:25 PM	#2
mithrand1r Cyber Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Left of Rock, Right of Hard Place Posts: 986	Excellent site. Phil does a very good job of documenting the difference of the film compared to the books. I enjoyed look through his highlighted points. Many I never thought much about, such as the Black Gate or Minas Morgul. __________________ Sincerely, Anthony 'Many are my names in many countries,' he said. 'Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Drarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.' Faramir What nobler employment, or more valuable to the state, than that of the man who instructs the rising generation? Cicero (106BC-43BC)

01-30-2004, 02:52 PM	#3
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01-31-2004, 12:24 AM	#7
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	An interesting site, especially since he makes it clear it's done mainly for fun and acknowledges some are very minor. One I haven't mentioned, but I think was one more error by PJ not to put in the film was: ____________________ NITPICKERS GUIDE: #43: "The number of the Fellowship was to be nine as a counter to the nine Black Riders. This number is set before anyone volunteers to join the Fellowship (FOTR p.360). Jackson portrays the number of companions in the Fellowship being the result of another logic (i.e. Sam, Merry, and Pippin all showing up). In addition, the members of the Fellowship are chosen after the Council whereas Jackson has the membership of the Fellowship set and the conclusion of the Council. The idea that there are nine companions in the Fellowship to counter the nine Black Riders is never touched on in Jackson's film." ______________________ Why in the movie couldn't Elrond have concluded the selection of the Nine Walkers with a statement something like: "And the free peoples of Middle-earth shall set the Nine Walkers against the Nine Riders."? ("Oh, and Arwen, you stay home and (knit, sew, whatever) a nice banner.") One other thing, rereading part of the appendix, it's remarkable how much PJ and friends destroyed Elrond's character. In retrospect it's hard to say which was messed with more, Elrond's or Denethor's. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 02-07-2004 at 12:44 PM.

01-30-2004, 10:06 PM	#4
dawningoftime Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90	My friend and I were reading those today and some of the points were like, who cares. The fact that someone would take the time to point out all of the differences shows that person has no life. __________________ Audio Editor

02-02-2004, 07:48 PM	#8
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	There's only 1 change that bothers me, it's roughly between the start of FotR and the end of RotK. You may miss it, it's very quick - merely 9 and a half hours long or so. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

02-05-2004, 05:01 AM	#10
Victoria Sapling Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 13	no biggie... no biggie about the differences....the movies turned out great....

02-07-2004, 12:24 PM	#11
matthew Enting Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 75	Nit picking? This is important! PJ screwed up so we have to point out his wrongdoings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! __________________ Nai anar caluva tierelyanna Flame me. Go ahead. Matthew in 2028. One by one we're bringing them back. Vote Nader. Stop the hamster eaters!!!! End global warming! Turn on the AC!!! Gadzooks! Run!

02-07-2004, 02:55 PM	#13
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	You need to be quick on that 'pause' button to catch it __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk