How comes......

[Turgon_Turambar]

This is a post for if you can think of any how comes????

heres mine: How comes in the fellowship of the ring it takes flibbin half an hour to kill that troll in Moria, yet in the return of the king 1 swing of Gandalfs sword he drops them AND THEY WERE ARMOURED!!!!?????? whats goin on?

[Insidious Rex]

Probably for the same reason that its so hard to kill one lone terminator with all the guns and bombs and exploding trucks you can muster but in the future when there are armies of them attacking all you need to do is shoot them once and they blow up.

Theres a rule in movie making. The time it takes to dispatch any given enemy is directly proportional to inverse of the number of enemy involved in the scene

[Nurvingiel]

... otherwise known as a giant plot hole.

Good question Turgon.

[Turgon_Turambar]

all i have to say is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....can anyone think of any others?

oh yea. how come the elves from lorien came to helms deep?
according to the book lorien was under attack anyway from the forces of Orcs from mirkwood so????

[Dúnedain]

Originally posted by Turgon_Turambar
all i have to say is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....can anyone think of any others?

oh yea. how come the elves from lorien came to helms deep?
according to the book lorien was under attack anyway from the forces of Orcs from mirkwood so????

I think that was merely done to tie the stories together...

[hectorberlioz]

in other words: another plot hole.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

How come in the charge by Eomer's boys at Helm's Deep Saruman's forces didn't just hold their spears in line and skewer the Rohirrim's horsies?

(In the book,remember, Erkenbrand's lads charged on foot).

[Nurvingiel]

Any self-respecting foot soldier would try to do something like that.

Maybe the orcs were more disorganized, or dumber than in the book? I don't actually have a good answer to any of these questions, probably because there was a reason wrote his book the way he did, and it was unwise to change it without considerable thought.

[gollum9630]

how come the uraks carrying merry and pippin can smeel aragorn from so far away but cant smell the roherion (sp) when they aree way closer (and i know this is a movie only thing)

[Eärloth]

because they were more focussed on battle at helm's deep...besides, do you honestly think aragorn bathes as much as the rohirrim ?

how come they had Faramir take Frodo & Sam to Osgiliath, especially lacking the scene featuring him, Denethor & Boromir (David Wenham, LORD of the puppy eyes! Why are we lacking of the puppy eyes?)?

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Just speaking of the film, I know the book has none of these problems. But as the resident Tolkien buff in my family and circle of friends here are some that I have been repeatedly asked:



-How come Aragorn can hear the orcs “less than a day ahead” by listening to the ground yet in Rohan he (and the others) don’t know there are hundreds of horses coming over the ridge until they are very nearly run over?

-Why does Gollum say the wraiths cannot be killed (“oh no you cannot kill them”) if they die when they are stabbed? Why does it matter if it is a man or a woman doing the stabbing?

-Why does an eye want a ring?

-Why is the audience told “the quest will claim (Frodo’s) life if he doesn’t die? (he just sails away on a ship with Gandalf)

-How does Gondor get rebuilt for Aragorn’s coronation? (which must have happened immediately after the battle since Frodo says it was 13 months to the day when they return home.)

-Why does Bilbo tell a story about trolls turning to stone in the daylight when there are lots of trolls out in daylight throughout the film.

-Why are there catapults on the walls of Gondor but nothing ready to throw? All they had was their own broken masonry.

-Why does Gandalf have to tell the soldiers of Middle-earth’s greatest city of men that it is not really a good idea to shoot arrows at the wooden base of the siege towers and that perhaps they should shoot the trolls pushing them.

-Why does no one realize Grond is battering ram until they swing it at the gate? It seems to take from day to night to get it into position yet no one is anywhere near the gate until after the first swing.

There are so many more too.

[Insidious Rex]

why did you bother seeing the movie? or watching any movie for that matter.

[Turgon_Turambar]

HAAAAAAHAHAHAA!!! seriously!! I only really have 1 answer for all your how comes....

The Trolls in the light may have been Olog-Hai. They were a special breed of Trolls who were smarter and more agile than normal ones and could stand the sun if their masters will were directly on them, which in doubt it was as his concentration was fixed on the siege. But all the others jus made me laugh.

[Twista]

squinteyedsoutherner, what is up with you man? IF you were any self respecting Tolkien fan, or even not even read the books and had just seen the films, i think the majority of those question would be answered in a second. Please say your not being serious!...

[Twista]

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
But as the resident Tolkien buff....

HAHAHAHA i just noticed that.... i have some suggestions of what you could change that to, but i wont bcus im not nasty lol.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

Alright Twista

How was movie witch king killed?

Why can Aragorn hear orcs miles away but not hundreds of horses a few feet away?


(By the way, I think I know my Tolkien, I was refering to the fact that the changes in the film's screenplay have left many things unanswered for someone who doesn't already know the story. Perhaps you misunderstood me.)

[Nurvingiel]

Are you referring to when the Three Hunters were challenged by Eomer and his men? Because they knew they were coming.

And in the movie, the Witch-King was killed by Eowyn, with Merry's help. (Like the books, fortunately.)

[Twista]

yes yes yes and the whole 'no man can kill me' is made significant because she is a woman. meh meh meh lol. Anyways how you doin Nurv?

[thranduil]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel

And in the movie, the Witch-King was killed by Eowyn, with Merry's help. (Like the books, fortunately.)

but unfortunately the witch king is killed because she is a woman.

How come in HD theoden says brace the gates, and when there manned and have closed the hole in the gates he yells retreat.

[squinteyedsoutherner]

No, the only reason the witch king was killed in the book was because Merry’s sword (taken from the barrow-downs) had the power to momentarily make the witch king vulnerable to a regular sword, in other words Eowyn’s stroke.

“But glad would he have been to know it's fate who wrought it slowly long ago in the North Kingdom when the Dunadain were young and chief among their foes was the dread realm of Angmar and it's sorcerer King. No other blade, not though mightier hands had wielded it, would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter”
ROTK

On Weathertop Strider tells Sam

“This was the stroke of Frodo’s sword (holding a piece of the black cloth from the witch king’s robe) The only hurt that it did to his enemy I fear, for it is unharmed, but all blades perish that pierce that dreadful King. More deadly was the name of Elbereth" Frodo's sword had no effect on the wraith.

Take away Merry’s sword and the death of the wraith doesn’t make sense unless movie wraith Can be slain (which would be a change from the book and would also conflict with Gollum's words "no you can't kill them" . Tolkien says in Letters if Merry had stabbed the witch king with that sword on weathertop the same thing would have happened there that happened on the Pelennor fields.

Book witch king is killed because of Merry's sword not because Eowyn is a woman. The fact she was a woman makes his death still fit the prophesy, which is not the same thing.



As for Eomer and the riders, yes in the book they spotted the riders a long way off, Legolas even counted them. But in the film they are taken completely by surprise, there is no indication whatsoever given that they knew rider’s were coming over the hill.