lucky me

[afro-elf]

sorry again


hum..... i'll blame it on the blurry eyes from reading the SIL

or the numerous poles that i know

[Sister Golden Hair]

afro-elf, what chapter are you on, and how do you like it so far?

[Kirinki54]

Yeah, rather fascinating thought you are discovering the book in Thailand...!

When I read books on holidays, certain scenes gets ´colored´ forever by the time/place where I read them.
If it is similar for you, you will have oriental associations forever.

[afro-elf]

SGH

I 'm on ch 8 or 9, I only read a few pages a day 'cos i need to indulge in freedom before i'm back in hell


I LOVE IT. for me i think that i might like it more that a complete tolkien newbie because

i'm familiar with the characters from numerous sources and it great to read about them in their 'HISTORICAL" sense

just as i was suprised by the wealth of info in the appendices of the LOTR

when i get back to saudi i'm gonna have millions of questions to post

and SOME of the elves are MORE "powerful" than i thought

K-54

when it all sets in i'll let you know what the associations are

[afro-elf]

to SGH and K 54


i would like to add that the elves in some ways are better than i hoped and lesser also

the lesser part being based on my own projections of elves
however it still like due to the greater understanding of tolkien's world i'm getting


as for associations

last night while walking along the beach i imagined myself as a sindar walking along the western shores of middle earth before the sun and the moon rose

eventhough my RPG character will be a "baranavair"

and I love the power of the calaquendi i do not know if i would be a noldar in middle earth

I do not know if i would have been swayed to swear such an oath

but it mentions that the calaquendi where not bound to stay in aman

so maybe i would have journeyed east to ME with orome or osse or ulmo

because i love the stars myself

but for now the sindar seem appealling

fingolfin i like so far also,

a few things remind him of me ( if i may be so vain)

the he brushed off and ignored feanor when he drew his blade

leaving with the noldor to protect them for fear the feanor would cause even more damage

even though i would not have swore the oath, if feanor had slain our own kindred AND then abandoned me and my host I would have gone to ME to kick his !@#

then swallowed my pride and packed provisions marched back across the grinding ice ( of course better prepared knowing what to expect) an begged forgiveness since i did not swear the oath myself

since ulmo and osse and orome still seemed to have open ears to the elves in would have implored their aid and wisdom to help save my people from out folly after we reached ME

i do like the moment when meadhos (SP?) wanted to go back with the ships

I "THINK" that act would have severed my relationship with my father

i'll write more as i read on

[Sister Golden Hair]

Don't you think that the Elves of the First Age are more exciting and more noble than the Elves of the Third Age?

Also, you could not have marched back across the Grinding Ice and begged forgiveness. By that time, the Valar had fenced Valinor against the Noldor. It had come to the point of no return.

[Ñólendil]

Maedhros is the name you were thinking of afro-elf. I'm really glad you're reading it man, but I can't help imposing this on you:

Singular is Baranavar, the plural form is Baranevair, the singular of Sindar is Sinda and it isn't Noldar, but Noldor. *takes deep breath* I feel better now.

[afro-elf]

sorry this must be the afro-elf mistake thread

baranavar, and noldor

i'll write it on the black board 1000 times



SHG

there is a line in the book, i'll try to bring the book with me next time, for the exact page

but when the ships were burned it said something like
should he (fingolfin) press on or return in shame to aman

i was a little puzzled too because this happened after the doom of the noldOr

yes i do agree the 1st agers are vastly more interesting than the the 3rd agers

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf




SHG

there is a line in the book, i'll try to bring the book with me next time, for the exact page

but when the ships were burned it said something like
should he (fingolfin) press on or return in shame to aman

Yes, but this was said before Fingolfin and his host left Aman, and at that time he could have still chosen to return and beg forgiveness, just like Finarfin did. Once he followed Feanor back to Middle-earth via the Helcaraxe, he was doomed to remain in Middle-earth, because the Valar had hidden Valinor by then.

I think the part you are refering to is:
"Then Fingolfin seeing that Feanor had left him to perish in Araman, or return in shame to Valinor was filled with bitterness; but he desired now as never before to come by some way to Middle-earth. and meet Feanor again." I think Araman was the most northern confines of the Blessed Realm.

You know what? I better be quiet, cause I am actually talking about a part that you haven't reached yet. (Chapter11)

[Kirinki54]

Afro-Elf, you´re having quite an adventure there. I envy you!

[afro-elf]

that's the part i'm talking about

i've gotten to it


i thought araman was outside of aman

oh well

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
that's the part i'm talking about

i've gotten to it


i thought araman was outside of aman

oh well

No problem. This is from the index of the Silmarillion.

Araman- Beren wasteland on the coast of Aman, between the Pelori and the Sea, extending northward to the Halcaraxe.

[Ñólendil]

Beren wasteland? I think we need to discontinue our allusions to the old Finrod/Thingol debate, it's having a prolonged effect on you. *laughs*

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
Beren wasteland? I think we need to discontinue our allusions to the old Finrod/Thingol debate, it's having a prolonged effect on you. *laughs*

BARREN!! And I can't even blame it on a typo, oh well. I'll getcha next time

[afro-elf]

SGH

it seems that finrod affects you very deeply


finrod is fingolfin's nephew correct?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
SGH

it seems that finrod affects you very deeply


finrod is fingolfin's nephew correct?

Correct afro-elf.
I found Finrod to be the perfect character in many ways. The Simarillion had a profound affect.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I found Finrod to be the perfect character in many ways. The Simarillion had a profound affect.

Not to speak of the effect of spending time on the forums with SGH. I now truly hail Finrod as one of (or the?) most noble characters of all times.

Of course re-reading the Sil has some part in it...

[Ñólendil]

To speak seriously, I think the noblest of the Ñoldor was Finrod's father Finarfin. This is implied in the essay by Tolkien that is called the Shibboleth of Fëanor. He was named Arafinwë by his father; 'Noble Finwe', just as Feanor was named Curufinwë ('Cunning, Skillful Finwe') and Fingolfin was Nolofinwë ('Knowledgable, Philosophical Finwe'). I'm rather in love with the names of ancient Elvish figures in Quenya, they convey so much more.

[afro-elf]

i just finished ch 14

and so far fingolfin, fingon and maedhros are my favorites

i do not like feanor or thingol so far


not much has been said of finrod yet

i've always liked cirdan but he was always a peripheral player

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Inoldonil
To speak seriously, I think the noblest of the Ñoldor was Finrod's father Finarfin. This is implied in the essay by Tolkien that is called the Shibboleth of Fëanor. He was named Arafinwë by his father; 'Noble Finwe', just as Feanor was named Curufinwë ('Cunning, Skillful Finwe') and Fingolfin was Nolofinwë ('Knowledgable, Philosophical Finwe'). I'm rather in love with the names of ancient Elvish figures in Quenya, they convey so much more.

Inoldonil, which book is the Shibboleth of Feanor in again?

As for Finarfin being the most noble, I suppose that may be true, but he really isn't a big part of the story, since he stayed in Aman. You really don't get to know him. I have heard some people complain about him for turning back from the exile.