Battle of Helms Deep

Sween · 07-06-2002, 07:30 AM

i was reading on a website that the battle of helms deep

will last 45 minutes unintrupted and will have elves from lorien in it. the elves will also die protecting the riders.

$5 mins should make for a spectacular battle scean. Allthough it is said that he may not show the ents attacking isengard

Pailan · 07-06-2002, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sween

$5 mins should make for a spectacular battle scean. Allthough it is said that he may not show the ents attacking isengard

I read the same report, but as is often the case, much that is leaked out before can be misleading. Perhaps this 45 minutes of battle will include the Ents storming Isengard, as the battle at Helms Deep occurs almost at the same time. I don't see how PJ could cut out the Ents. I will wait until I hear/read more before getting all hasty....

webwizard333 · 07-06-2002, 03:26 PM

That time sounds a little too long to be seriously put in a movie if it was uninterrupted.

***IronParrot*** · 07-06-2002, 11:14 PM

No, it depends how it's done. As long as it remains fresh, exciting and complex, a watchable forty-five-minute battle isn't far-fetched...

And if Helm's Deep is going to be that big, think about how big Pelennor's going to be.

Lanelf · 07-07-2002, 01:14 AM

45 minutes uninterrupted? No way! I don't think I could watch that much battle, it gets so boring after a while. I'm fine with 15 minutes, getting bored soon after that but how could you get that much time in an action sequence?
If they keep it exciting it *might* work, but they'd have to keep introducing new things to do that.
I seriously hope this is just a rumor.

olsonm · 07-07-2002, 01:21 AM

It's also possible that they're using "Battle of Helm's Deep" synonymously with the "Siege of Helm's Deep." The siege was exciting, but it wasn't non-stop fighting.

Sween · 07-07-2002, 10:43 AM

it would not be non stop fighting there would be build up i would imigin they wpould have them been chased to helms deep and the build up then get into the setting up and massing of troops then the attack. the breaking of the wall and all the events described in the book then the riders braking the seige and the ents comming to helps so theres a lot to fit into that 45 minutes.

I think it could be a best large set peice ever.

i timed the battles inthe first movie and they last little over 10 mins each so 45 mins will be amazing

samwise of the shire · 07-08-2002, 12:01 PM

45 minutes? Well then they'd have to fast foward the scenes with Sam and Frodo and I dont think they'd do that unless they'd want lovers of Ithillien scenes on their case and that is something they wouldn't want.
But it's probably just a rumor like that one about the elves levitating the Hobbits and all into the trees as the orcs attack, 45 minutes is a TAD too long for that.
Sam
ps. What's the URL?

Lizra · 07-08-2002, 12:15 PM

I agree with Pailan, Don't be hasty! I'm not getting in a snit over rumours. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT!!!!

Kalimac · 07-08-2002, 11:37 PM

The report of 45 minutes of battle at Helm's Deep originated from The One Ring article here:

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1025872678

That was on 7/5/02, however today (7/8/02) there is a 'retraction' of most of that information also coming from The One Ring:

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1026157737

Should be noted that the report does not specifically deny that Helm's Deep will be 45 minutes long, nor does it refute the information about Haldir and the elves deaths at HD.

viggosbeard · 07-09-2002, 04:54 AM

Lets make it an hour !!! The more battle scenes the better!! Sod it , lets make it 2 hours !!

Draken · 07-09-2002, 11:37 AM

If you include the seige, you could probably fill 45 minutes of film with the period of the battle - though not solid action, I wouldn't think. But hell yes, it's just a rumour, I'm happy to wait for the release.

btw I am so looking forward to the Pelennor Fields - hope it doesn't disappoint!

Renille · 07-09-2002, 02:28 PM

45 minutes is a little too long for ANY one thing interupted, I think. If they do combine Helm's Deep with Isengard, it would be okay. But Helm's Deep for 45 MINUTES? Maybe they'll include Gimli's cave with Helm's Deep. Or most probably, it's just a rumor. I hope so, at least.

Entlover · 07-09-2002, 09:49 PM

Speaking of battles, I ran across this on Amazon's trivia page:
"For high-tech tasks, a computer program called MASSIVE made armies of CG(computer generated) orcs, elves and humans. These digital creations could 'think' and battle independently, identify friend or foe -- thanks to individual fields of vision -- Jackson's team could click on one creature in a crowd scene of 20,000 and see through his "eyes." Different species even boast unique fighting styles.
It is reported that on the first run of the fight sequences using the MASSIVE Artificial Intelligence program, the intelligent fighters -- programmed to fight in the most efficient manner possible -- all turned and ran away."

That proves they're intelligent.

LuthienTinuviel · 07-09-2002, 10:36 PM

so the elves are going to be at helms deep.. nurrg

Entlover · 07-09-2002, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
so the elves are going to be at helms deep.. nurrg

No, sorry. The thing about the computer generated soldiers is referring to the battle scene in the Prologue.
But I expect they'll use the same CG programs for Helm's Deep, minus elves but plus Easterlings, Rohirrim, etc.

Rei · 07-10-2002, 03:18 AM

And to make things worse, I read that same artticle thing and it said that Haldir is supposedly one of the elves that dies at Helm's Deep. I will never forgive PJ if that is true!

viggosbeard · 07-11-2002, 03:55 AM

Rei - I think your right about Haldir , Ive heard that at a crucial moment he gets nudged plucking his eye brows and gets decapitated by his own tweezers ! very gory indeed !

Lizra · 07-11-2002, 08:52 AM

I thought he exploded while having a hissy fit....

viggosbeard · 07-11-2002, 09:10 AM

probably a bit of both - something to do with having a battle in 'all that rain and mud, never mind the damage those walls could do to your nails' - i mean if lady G was going to send some elven warriors, is that the best she could do !!??

07-06-2002, 03:26 PM	#3
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	That time sounds a little too long to be seriously put in a movie if it was uninterrupted. __________________ Boo!

07-06-2002, 11:14 PM	#4
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	No, it depends how it's done. As long as it remains fresh, exciting and complex, a watchable forty-five-minute battle isn't far-fetched... And if Helm's Deep is going to be that big, think about how big Pelennor's going to be. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-07-2002, 01:14 AM	#5
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	45 minutes uninterrupted? No way! I don't think I could watch that much battle, it gets so boring after a while. I'm fine with 15 minutes, getting bored soon after that but how could you get that much time in an action sequence? If they keep it exciting it might work, but they'd have to keep introducing new things to do that. I seriously hope this is just a rumor. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

07-07-2002, 01:21 AM	#6
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	It's also possible that they're using "Battle of Helm's Deep" synonymously with the "Siege of Helm's Deep." The siege was exciting, but it wasn't non-stop fighting. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

07-07-2002, 10:43 AM	#7
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	it would not be non stop fighting there would be build up i would imigin they wpould have them been chased to helms deep and the build up then get into the setting up and massing of troops then the attack. the breaking of the wall and all the events described in the book then the riders braking the seige and the ents comming to helps so theres a lot to fit into that 45 minutes. I think it could be a best large set peice ever. i timed the battles inthe first movie and they last little over 10 mins each so 45 mins will be amazing __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-08-2002, 12:01 PM	#8
samwise of the shire Radically Tolkienited Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+>< Posts: 967	45 minutes? Well then they'd have to fast foward the scenes with Sam and Frodo and I dont think they'd do that unless they'd want lovers of Ithillien scenes on their case and that is something they wouldn't want. But it's probably just a rumor like that one about the elves levitating the Hobbits and all into the trees as the orcs attack, 45 minutes is a TAD too long for that. Sam ps. What's the URL? __________________ Jesus is my all in all <><+<><+<><+<><+<><+<><+ People who are so concerned with escapism do have a name...we call them jailers. ~J.R.R Tolkien Radically Saved, Totally Tolkienited GOD... BLESS... AMERICA...

07-08-2002, 12:15 PM	#9
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I agree with Pailan, Don't be hasty! I'm not getting in a snit over rumours. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT!!!!

07-08-2002, 11:37 PM	#10
Kalimac Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 81	SPOILERS: The One Ring The report of 45 minutes of battle at Helm's Deep originated from The One Ring article here: http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1025872678 That was on 7/5/02, however today (7/8/02) there is a 'retraction' of most of that information also coming from The One Ring: http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1026157737 Should be noted that the report does not specifically deny that Helm's Deep will be 45 minutes long, nor does it refute the information about Haldir and the elves deaths at HD.

07-09-2002, 04:54 AM	#11
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	Lets make it an hour !!! The more battle scenes the better!! Sod it , lets make it 2 hours !!

07-09-2002, 11:37 AM	#12
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	If you include the seige, you could probably fill 45 minutes of film with the period of the battle - though not solid action, I wouldn't think. But hell yes, it's just a rumour, I'm happy to wait for the release. btw I am so looking forward to the Pelennor Fields - hope it doesn't disappoint! __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

07-09-2002, 02:28 PM	#13
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	45 minutes is a little too long for ANY one thing interupted, I think. If they do combine Helm's Deep with Isengard, it would be okay. But Helm's Deep for 45 MINUTES? Maybe they'll include Gimli's cave with Helm's Deep. Or most probably, it's just a rumor. I hope so, at least. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

07-09-2002, 09:49 PM	#14
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	Speaking of battles, I ran across this on Amazon's trivia page: "For high-tech tasks, a computer program called MASSIVE made armies of CG(computer generated) orcs, elves and humans. These digital creations could 'think' and battle independently, identify friend or foe -- thanks to individual fields of vision -- Jackson's team could click on one creature in a crowd scene of 20,000 and see through his "eyes." Different species even boast unique fighting styles. It is reported that on the first run of the fight sequences using the MASSIVE Artificial Intelligence program, the intelligent fighters -- programmed to fight in the most efficient manner possible -- all turned and ran away." That proves they're intelligent.

07-09-2002, 10:36 PM	#15
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	so the elves are going to be at helms deep.. nurrg __________________

07-10-2002, 03:18 AM	#17
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	And to make things worse, I read that same artticle thing and it said that Haldir is supposedly one of the elves that dies at Helm's Deep. I will never forgive PJ if that is true! __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

07-11-2002, 03:55 AM	#18
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	Rei - I think your right about Haldir , Ive heard that at a crucial moment he gets nudged plucking his eye brows and gets decapitated by his own tweezers ! very gory indeed !

07-11-2002, 08:52 AM	#19
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I thought he exploded while having a hissy fit....

07-11-2002, 09:10 AM	#20
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	probably a bit of both - something to do with having a battle in 'all that rain and mud, never mind the damage those walls could do to your nails' - i mean if lady G was going to send some elven warriors, is that the best she could do !!?? __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

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