Any things you find annoying? Then post them here!

Elf.Freak · 11-19-2002, 11:57 AM

Does anyone think that there are any annoying things in the Lord of the Rings movie? For example, they cut Tom Babaldi out, and that Arwen replaced *Enter-the-elf's-name-that-saved-Frodo-in-the-book*.

So...if anything really annoyed you, post here *repeating, great

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viggosbeard · 11-19-2002, 12:17 PM

!!!!!!!

Tobu, Son of Toba · 11-19-2002, 12:30 PM

After seeing the extended version of the dvd,i find it annoying that the original didn't have all the extra character interaction, they were very small but made the characters seem more like the way Tolk intended.
Tom B being missed out also annoyed me cause he is great, but like Mr Jackson said that character would of been lost on a lot of people.

Varda Oiolosseo · 11-19-2002, 01:36 PM

I didn't find anything annoying about the film!!

Oh my gosh i love your Orlando Avatar!!!!!!! I had one like that but i lost it!!

Faramir Took · 11-19-2002, 02:03 PM

who the heck is Tom Babaldi????????

Ms. Undomial · 11-19-2002, 02:18 PM

Have you ever read the books Faramir took?

Mathron · 11-19-2002, 02:26 PM

I have a great annoyance with the Two Towers trailer.

--Spoiler follows for anyone who hasn't, for some strange reason, read the books--

Mainly, the fact that it shows Gandalf. Now, for those of us who have read the books, that isn't a problem, but I'm sure there are still plenty for whom they will, indeed, be ruining a fairly powerful moment in the series...

BeardofPants · 11-19-2002, 02:31 PM

Honestly, where do I start?

Coney · 11-19-2002, 02:42 PM

Almost every scene where Aragorn and Gimli interact with one another........Tolkiens Aragorn whould not have treat a Dwarf with such disdain.

Everytime Sam Gamgee assumed that Guppy-fish-at-feeding-time look Sam Gamgee was an innocent (in the ways of the world) not a simpleton (neither was he so shy around Rosie).

viggosbeard · 11-20-2002, 10:34 AM

the film is too short - i would like to have seen this tom Babaldi feller aswell ! and before anyone asks yes I have read them and im only joking about Tom.

Miranda · 11-20-2002, 11:24 AM

Isn't it Tom Bombadill??? I would have liked to see him too but it would have confused people as he's only in one bit and to dedicate the size of scene he needed to make sense it would have made the film a lot longer- and most just fancy seeing the film people would have got numb bums (not that a six hour LOTR would bother me but I believe us Mooters are on a different plain to the common folk!) PJ would have had to have included the Barrow wights and all the stuff that proceeds and follows Bombadil and I don't think it would have been possible to do within a decent film time length. It would have been nice to see the Barrow wights (they really scared me in the book) but c'est la vie- You can't have it all. Mx

Draken · 11-20-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Faramir Took
who the heck is Tom Babaldi????????

I think he runs the dockside fast food franchise at the Grey Havens. The film misses out the chapter where a lone Corsair raiding ship attacks and in defending his restaurant he is forced to let his pizzas burn in the oven. It's called the "Scouring of the Pan".

squinteyedsoutherner · 11-20-2002, 11:29 PM

The Two Towers are NOT Orthanc and Baradur, they are Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Tolkien said this himself in a paragraph that appeared at the conclusion of the FoTR Ballantine edition which feature his art on the covers. The art is also clearly Minas Morgul. Baradur was the illustration for the RoTK cover. Did they not know? did they not care?

Wraiths set ablaze only to appear with intact robes the next day was a little hard to swallow.

Arwen giving her strength to Frodo at the ford is in direct contrast to Tolkien's priciple theme that; great courage strength and virtue can reside in the small and ordinary. Frodo enduring the wound alone is an important element and forshadows the whole quest. What thwarts the wraiths is unexpected strength, not a highlander sword fight, or a noble elf maiden.

Arwen casting spells when Elrond is the keeper of Vilya.

Elrond lecturing Gandalf about the ring when Elrond is one of only a handful of people who know his true identity.

my favorite;

Aragorn telling Frodo to lean forward to shift the balance of what must have been 300 tons of rock.

There are so many more.......

In the end, all of the film's major mistakes are the result of unnecessary plot changes followed by screewriters who simply could not handle the source material.

cassiopeia · 11-21-2002, 12:43 AM

I have been knocking the film a bit lately, but let me say I do love it overall, but here's what I find annoying:

*The whole flight to the ford scene. I don't think I need to explain this.

*Aragorn being so weak. Especially in the extended version where he says he does not want to fulfil his destiny.

*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.

*In the extended version where Sam says something about Bilbo's trolls when Frodo is hurt. I liked the other version where they did not mention the trolls, some nice eye candy for Tolkien fans. Of course it took me several viewing to even notice the trolls.

*Elrond hating men so much.

*The wizard duel. 'Nuff said there.

*Galadriel's hissy fit.

I think thats enough for now. In the TT, one thing which really annoys me is when someone (I think Aragorn) says Sauron's purpose is to rid the world of Men (or something to that effect). Umm, there are other peoples in ME arn't there?

Agburanar · 11-21-2002, 06:43 AM

Oh, there are far too many annoying things to even begin. The film has to be the biggest annoying thing. Why do directors who interpret books for films feel the need to put their own spin on it? Take Captain Corelli's Mandolin. The book (Like LotR) is amazing, but the director chose to make it a love story and nothing else, warping the charactors completely. Why can't they stick to what's in the book and if it's too complicated for a film then DON'T MAKE THE FILM!!!!!

Agburanar · 11-21-2002, 06:45 AM

Sorry if the massed

unsmilies scared anyone. I got a little carried away!

Millane · 11-21-2002, 09:36 AM

iam a loyalist to the books and the movies...
i am overjoyed about the movies so i am not going to say im pi**ed off about thing but i would have hoped they would have includedthe scouring of the shire such an awesome and integral part to the story... apart from that great...

LuthienTinuviel · 11-21-2002, 08:34 PM

Quote:

*Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives.

it's cause he thinks they're corny too.

BeardofPants · 11-22-2002, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by squinteyedsoutherner
The Two Towers are NOT Orthanc and Baradur, they are Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Tolkien said this himself in a paragraph that appeared at the conclusion of the FoTR Ballantine edition which feature his art on the covers.

Actually, there is some lee-way there. Although some books specify Orthanc and Morgul (which make sense), if you read Tolkien's Letters, it will quickly become apparent to you that even Tolkien wasn't sure which two towers they were referring to. Remember that "Two Towers" is an arbitrary title given due to the publishers Unwin & Allen enforcing the division of the story.

squinteyedsoutherner · 11-22-2002, 09:31 AM

Please post the quote from letters where Tolkien contradicts his paragraph at the end of FoTR. I have read, but no longer own, letters and don't recall that statement but would be interested in being corrected if it is there.

11-19-2002, 11:57 AM	#1
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11-19-2002, 12:17 PM	#2
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	!!!!!!! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams Last edited by viggosbeard : 11-19-2002 at 12:19 PM.

11-19-2002, 12:30 PM	#3
Tobu, Son of Toba Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Devon Posts: 13	Hmmm.. After seeing the extended version of the dvd,i find it annoying that the original didn't have all the extra character interaction, they were very small but made the characters seem more like the way Tolk intended. Tom B being missed out also annoyed me cause he is great, but like Mr Jackson said that character would of been lost on a lot of people.

11-19-2002, 02:03 PM	#5
Faramir Took Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Beacon Falls CT Posts: 19	annoying who the heck is Tom Babaldi???????? __________________ Faramir son of Peregrin

11-19-2002, 02:18 PM	#6
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	Have you ever read the books Faramir took? __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

11-19-2002, 01:36 PM	#4
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	I didn't find anything annoying about the film!! Oh my gosh i love your Orlando Avatar!!!!!!! I had one like that but i lost it!!

11-19-2002, 02:26 PM	#7
Mathron Hobbit-Huorn RPG Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 695	I have a great annoyance with the Two Towers trailer. --Spoiler follows for anyone who hasn't, for some strange reason, read the books-- Mainly, the fact that it shows Gandalf. Now, for those of us who have read the books, that isn't a problem, but I'm sure there are still plenty for whom they will, indeed, be ruining a fairly powerful moment in the series... __________________ Through Truth, Power.

11-19-2002, 02:31 PM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Honestly, where do I start? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-19-2002, 02:42 PM	#9
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Almost every scene where Aragorn and Gimli interact with one another........Tolkiens Aragorn whould not have treat a Dwarf with such disdain. Everytime Sam Gamgee assumed that Guppy-fish-at-feeding-time look Sam Gamgee was an innocent (in the ways of the world) not a simpleton (neither was he so shy around Rosie). __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

11-20-2002, 10:34 AM	#10
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	the film is too short - i would like to have seen this tom Babaldi feller aswell ! and before anyone asks yes I have read them and im only joking about Tom. __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

11-20-2002, 11:24 AM	#11
Miranda 'Bohemian princess of Covent Garden Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Mill Posts: 544	Isn't it Tom Bombadill??? I would have liked to see him too but it would have confused people as he's only in one bit and to dedicate the size of scene he needed to make sense it would have made the film a lot longer- and most just fancy seeing the film people would have got numb bums (not that a six hour LOTR would bother me but I believe us Mooters are on a different plain to the common folk!) PJ would have had to have included the Barrow wights and all the stuff that proceeds and follows Bombadil and I don't think it would have been possible to do within a decent film time length. It would have been nice to see the Barrow wights (they really scared me in the book) but c'est la vie- You can't have it all. Mx

11-20-2002, 11:29 PM	#13
squinteyedsoutherner Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 198	The Two Towers are NOT Orthanc and Baradur, they are Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Tolkien said this himself in a paragraph that appeared at the conclusion of the FoTR Ballantine edition which feature his art on the covers. The art is also clearly Minas Morgul. Baradur was the illustration for the RoTK cover. Did they not know? did they not care? Wraiths set ablaze only to appear with intact robes the next day was a little hard to swallow. Arwen giving her strength to Frodo at the ford is in direct contrast to Tolkien's priciple theme that; great courage strength and virtue can reside in the small and ordinary. Frodo enduring the wound alone is an important element and forshadows the whole quest. What thwarts the wraiths is unexpected strength, not a highlander sword fight, or a noble elf maiden. Arwen casting spells when Elrond is the keeper of Vilya. Elrond lecturing Gandalf about the ring when Elrond is one of only a handful of people who know his true identity. my favorite; Aragorn telling Frodo to lean forward to shift the balance of what must have been 300 tons of rock. There are so many more....... In the end, all of the film's major mistakes are the result of unnecessary plot changes followed by screewriters who simply could not handle the source material. Last edited by squinteyedsoutherner : 11-20-2002 at 11:51 PM.

11-21-2002, 12:43 AM	#14
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I have been knocking the film a bit lately, but let me say I do love it overall, but here's what I find annoying: The whole flight to the ford scene. I don't think I need to explain this. Aragorn being so weak. Especially in the extended version where he says he does not want to fulfil his destiny. Aragorn hitting the pillow in Lothlorien. I still do not understand his motives. In the extended version where Sam says something about Bilbo's trolls when Frodo is hurt. I liked the other version where they did not mention the trolls, some nice eye candy for Tolkien fans. Of course it took me several viewing to even notice the trolls. Elrond hating men so much. The wizard duel. 'Nuff said there. Galadriel's hissy fit. I think thats enough for now. In the TT, one thing which really annoys me is when someone (I think Aragorn) says Sauron's purpose is to rid the world of Men (or something to that effect). Umm, there are other peoples in ME arn't there? __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. Last edited by cassiopeia : 11-21-2002 at 12:45 AM.*

11-21-2002, 06:43 AM	#15
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Oh, there are far too many annoying things to even begin. The film has to be the biggest annoying thing. Why do directors who interpret books for films feel the need to put their own spin on it? Take Captain Corelli's Mandolin. The book (Like LotR) is amazing, but the director chose to make it a love story and nothing else, warping the charactors completely. Why can't they stick to what's in the book and if it's too complicated for a film then DON'T MAKE THE FILM!!!!! __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

11-21-2002, 06:45 AM	#16
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Sorry if the massed unsmilies scared anyone. I got a little carried away! __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

11-21-2002, 09:36 AM	#17
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	iam a loyalist to the books and the movies... i am overjoyed about the movies so i am not going to say im pi**ed off about thing but i would have hoped they would have includedthe scouring of the shire such an awesome and integral part to the story... apart from that great... __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

11-22-2002, 09:31 AM	#20
squinteyedsoutherner Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 198	Please post the quote from letters where Tolkien contradicts his paragraph at the end of FoTR. I have read, but no longer own, letters and don't recall that statement but would be interested in being corrected if it is there.

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