Debating the use of certain Entmoot messages on Aldesign's website

aldesign · 02-13-2002, 01:26 PM

Dudes, as a website designer, im always trying to make my pages nice and accessable to as many people as possible

to do this i need to make them the right size, and i need to know how graphic heavy i can make them.

As you the viewers are going to look at them, please could you answer the following questions:

1. Whats your Screne Resolution set at. (ie 800x600, 1152x864, 1280x1024)

2. And what is your internet Speed. (56k, Cable, Dsl, T1)

Cheers
all imput is greatfully accepted!!

Arathorn · 02-13-2002, 01:45 PM

1. Whats your Screne Resolution set at.
1280x1024 (though I'd suggest designing one for 800x600 or 1024x768 for the usual viewer.

2. And what is your internet Speed.
56K. Until I get my brothers to pitch in, I'm not paying more.

aldesign · 02-13-2002, 02:08 PM

yeah arathorn, i usually do, do them for 800x600 cos thats standard,

but as its only a handfull of u guys who are going to see
www.fotmb.bravepages.com (due for release within 24hours)

i thought i might do them for high resolution, so that u dont just have a thin webpage down the side of ur monitor, or centered in the middle.

Darth Tater · 02-13-2002, 02:21 PM

aldesign, that content was originally created here, at Entmoot. We do not want it used on a different website without our permission. It's quite frankly rude. We want to keep things like that in our Rivendell section.

zulu · 02-13-2002, 02:36 PM

Yeah!!!

emplynx · 02-13-2002, 04:52 PM

My monitor is 1024x768 and my connection is DSL. What is that stuff he is stealing? Fan Fics?

Laurelyn · 02-13-2002, 05:03 PM

My computer is 800 x 600, and my connection is badly messed up 56k(It's pretty broken, it only barely works). We're gonna get DSL soon tho, I hope, anyways.

Feraway Hawkbriar · 02-14-2002, 12:15 AM

That story does not belong to you Darth Tater nor to Tolkien trail. did you or any maker of TT write it? imagine it? no? EXACTLY then its not yours. It belongs to the writers and you have no claim over their creative writing. And the WRITERS have given him permission to make that site useing THEIR content.

ryan · 02-14-2002, 12:57 AM

Thats true, unless the writers agree to some sort of exclusivity contract with entmoot when they submit their work

Feraway Hawkbriar · 02-14-2002, 01:06 AM

It wasnt "submitted" it was an impromtu little spoof that got started up and is copyright STRICTLY to the writers because it is INTELECTUAL PROPERTY. Saying it belongs to TT because its writen form took shape here is like saying that because you write something in a McDonalds it belongs to McDonalds WICH MAKES NO SENSE.

Starr Polish · 02-14-2002, 01:12 AM

Isn't it said somewhere in the agreement you 'sign' (click yes, saying I agree with these statements) say that posting ANYTHING on Entmoot gives them the rights to it? If so, then Tater is right. Dang, if so, my little poem

jerseydevil · 02-14-2002, 01:27 AM

That generally doesn't stand up in a court of law.

A lot of contracts are written that have no way of being upheld in court.

Feraway Hawkbriar · 02-14-2002, 01:37 AM

What does Tolkien Trail need with that story anyway? its just a stupid, rediculous, funny thing that some freinds of mine wrote up to amuse themselves ( and those who would care to read it).

YE CAN TAKE THEIR...uhh....spoons? no not spoons...un..sporks? yeah, sporks...YE CAN TAKE THEIR SPORKS BUT YA CAN NEVER TAKE THEIR STORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

FrodoFriend · 02-14-2002, 01:37 AM

Ummm . . . the link didn't work. What exactly are we talking about? I have a suspicion, but will keep my mouth shut for fear of being wrong.

Feraway is exactly right. I don't care what you say, Tater, or any of the other administrators, or what the stupid contract said. If somebody writes something it's theirs. Period. You can't just take other people's artwork. And if aldesign has permission to post it from the writers, well, end of discussion.

***HOBBIT*** · 02-14-2002, 01:38 AM

Huh? What? *is lost*

Starr Polish · 02-14-2002, 01:43 AM

Maybe it's not in the contract, but if it was, and you clicked that yes, you agreed to the contract, then it is theirs. If it's something like that they probably shouldn't/won't care, in my opinion.

FrodoFriend · 02-14-2002, 01:47 AM

It's not theirs. I'm not giving up MY writing just like that. Besides, they don't have plans for it, it's just a control thing or something. Jeez, guys, it's our story, let us do what we want with it!

Arathorn · 02-14-2002, 01:52 AM

I think, assuming clicking on a certain "I agree" button holds, the heart of the matter is the difficulty in determining where the content actually originated and whether it was copied verbatim (cut&paste) or whether it is remembered from somewhere, and posted on entmoot or from entmoot to somewhere else.

Quite difficult to enforce but quite interesting a topic nonetheless.

IMHO, it would be a lot more fun for everyone concerned to post credit where credit is due on their site and possibly add an "affiliated with" link or something to that effect. But you've gotta talk about the details. How's that for a "can't we all get along" line, heheh.

(slaps self silly and goes over to the "You know you like Tolkien too much" thread)

jerseydevil · 02-14-2002, 02:44 AM

The content originated by the posters. The thread was basically a "what would I do if I met such and such an actor from LOTR". Then different members started writing a satirical short story about kidnapping Elijah Wood and taking him and the Ring of Popculture to the Music Hall of Rivendell where the Messageboardship was formed. The NSync and Backstreet Boys were the Black Riders and Martha Stewart was Sauron. The quest was to take the Ring to her mansion in Miami and destroy the ring in the Microwave of Doom and save the world from her evil house decorating and rid the world of boy bands.

It was an original work by several members of Entmoot collaborating together on an entmoot thread. Intellectually it belongs to them.

If you wish to wade through the 500 plus posts - What would you do? heh heh heh . . . you can read it in it's raw form. However the story doesn't actually start until the middle somewhere in the Thread. Aldesign and others had taken the story and seperated it out from the thread and were cleaning it up and putting it into paragraph/story form.

In addition, Feraway Hawkbriar had drawn pics of the different members of the Messageboardship. The pics on the page are from Brollum downward.

All that Aldesign had up, which has been moved to a different site, are the chapter headings. The actual cleaned up story still needs to be posted.

The story is the intellectual property of the people who wrote it. Would the writers please come foward and accept your award for causing a great controversy on Entmoot and for writing a very funny story.

To all those new to this - Welcome to Entmoot-Gate.

Darth Tater · 02-14-2002, 09:48 AM

Of course the work belongs to the writers. However, it did originate on the Tolkien Trail. If the writers want it compiled somewhere we'd be more then happy to let it be submitted to Rivendell. However, it's rude to remove it from the site.

02-13-2002, 01:26 PM	#1
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	Debating the use of certain Entmoot messages on Aldesign's website Dudes, as a website designer, im always trying to make my pages nice and accessable to as many people as possible to do this i need to make them the right size, and i need to know how graphic heavy i can make them. As you the viewers are going to look at them, please could you answer the following questions: 1. Whats your Screne Resolution set at. (ie 800x600, 1152x864, 1280x1024) 2. And what is your internet Speed. (56k, Cable, Dsl, T1) Cheers all imput is greatfully accepted!!

02-13-2002, 01:45 PM	#2
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	1. Whats your Screne Resolution set at. 1280x1024 (though I'd suggest designing one for 800x600 or 1024x768 for the usual viewer. 2. And what is your internet Speed. 56K. Until I get my brothers to pitch in, I'm not paying more. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

02-13-2002, 02:21 PM	#4
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	aldesign, that content was originally created here, at Entmoot. We do not want it used on a different website without our permission. It's quite frankly rude. We want to keep things like that in our Rivendell section. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

02-13-2002, 05:03 PM	#7
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	My computer is 800 x 600, and my connection is badly messed up 56k(It's pretty broken, it only barely works). We're gonna get DSL soon tho, I hope, anyways. __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

02-14-2002, 12:15 AM	#8
Feraway Hawkbriar Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 348	That story does not belong to you Darth Tater nor to Tolkien trail. did you or any maker of TT write it? imagine it? no? EXACTLY then its not yours. It belongs to the writers and you have no claim over their creative writing. And the WRITERS have given him permission to make that site useing THEIR content. __________________ "The barks goes ever on and on out from the dog where they began. He's out there crapping on my lawn. Till I hit him with my van." Last edited by Feraway Hawkbriar : 02-14-2002 at 12:23 AM.

02-13-2002, 02:08 PM	#3
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	yeah arathorn, i usually do, do them for 800x600 cos thats standard, but as its only a handfull of u guys who are going to see www.fotmb.bravepages.com (due for release within 24hours) i thought i might do them for high resolution, so that u dont just have a thin webpage down the side of ur monitor, or centered in the middle.

02-13-2002, 02:36 PM	#5
zulu Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 13	Yeah!!!

02-13-2002, 04:52 PM	#6
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	My monitor is 1024x768 and my connection is DSL. What is that stuff he is stealing? Fan Fics?

02-14-2002, 12:57 AM	#9
ryan t2t relic Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 531	Thats true, unless the writers agree to some sort of exclusivity contract with entmoot when they submit their work __________________ "And the Lord spoke, "Send me your money, Empty thine wallets into my pockets my pockets, the pockets of Ryan, Ryan, he who will deliver the money unto me. Then you will truley be happy." And the people followed, and all was well." --Ryan 62:33

02-14-2002, 01:06 AM	#10
Feraway Hawkbriar Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 348	It wasnt "submitted" it was an impromtu little spoof that got started up and is copyright STRICTLY to the writers because it is INTELECTUAL PROPERTY. Saying it belongs to TT because its writen form took shape here is like saying that because you write something in a McDonalds it belongs to McDonalds WICH MAKES NO SENSE. __________________ "The barks goes ever on and on out from the dog where they began. He's out there crapping on my lawn. Till I hit him with my van."

02-14-2002, 01:12 AM	#11
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Isn't it said somewhere in the agreement you 'sign' (click yes, saying I agree with these statements) say that posting ANYTHING on Entmoot gives them the rights to it? If so, then Tater is right. Dang, if so, my little poem __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

02-14-2002, 01:27 AM	#12
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	That generally doesn't stand up in a court of law. A lot of contracts are written that have no way of being upheld in court. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

02-14-2002, 01:37 AM	#13
Feraway Hawkbriar Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 348	What does Tolkien Trail need with that story anyway? its just a stupid, rediculous, funny thing that some freinds of mine wrote up to amuse themselves ( and those who would care to read it). YE CAN TAKE THEIR...uhh....spoons? no not spoons...un..sporks? yeah, sporks...YE CAN TAKE THEIR SPORKS BUT YA CAN NEVER TAKE THEIR STORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! __________________ "The barks goes ever on and on out from the dog where they began. He's out there crapping on my lawn. Till I hit him with my van."

02-14-2002, 01:37 AM	#14
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Ummm . . . the link didn't work. What exactly are we talking about? I have a suspicion, but will keep my mouth shut for fear of being wrong. Feraway is exactly right. I don't care what you say, Tater, or any of the other administrators, or what the stupid contract said. If somebody writes something it's theirs. Period. You can't just take other people's artwork. And if aldesign has permission to post it from the writers, well, end of discussion. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-14-2002, 01:38 AM	#15
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	Huh? What? is lost __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

02-14-2002, 01:43 AM	#16
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Maybe it's not in the contract, but if it was, and you clicked that yes, you agreed to the contract, then it is theirs. If it's something like that they probably shouldn't/won't care, in my opinion. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

02-14-2002, 01:47 AM	#17
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	It's not theirs. I'm not giving up MY writing just like that. Besides, they don't have plans for it, it's just a control thing or something. Jeez, guys, it's our story, let us do what we want with it! __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-14-2002, 01:52 AM	#18
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I think, assuming clicking on a certain "I agree" button holds, the heart of the matter is the difficulty in determining where the content actually originated and whether it was copied verbatim (cut&paste) or whether it is remembered from somewhere, and posted on entmoot or from entmoot to somewhere else. Quite difficult to enforce but quite interesting a topic nonetheless. IMHO, it would be a lot more fun for everyone concerned to post credit where credit is due on their site and possibly add an "affiliated with" link or something to that effect. But you've gotta talk about the details. How's that for a "can't we all get along" line, heheh. (slaps self silly and goes over to the "You know you like Tolkien too much" thread) __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 02-14-2002 at 01:59 AM.

02-14-2002, 02:44 AM	#19
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	The story behind Entmoot-Gate. The content originated by the posters. The thread was basically a "what would I do if I met such and such an actor from LOTR". Then different members started writing a satirical short story about kidnapping Elijah Wood and taking him and the Ring of Popculture to the Music Hall of Rivendell where the Messageboardship was formed. The NSync and Backstreet Boys were the Black Riders and Martha Stewart was Sauron. The quest was to take the Ring to her mansion in Miami and destroy the ring in the Microwave of Doom and save the world from her evil house decorating and rid the world of boy bands. It was an original work by several members of Entmoot collaborating together on an entmoot thread. Intellectually it belongs to them. If you wish to wade through the 500 plus posts - What would you do? heh heh heh . . . you can read it in it's raw form. However the story doesn't actually start until the middle somewhere in the Thread. Aldesign and others had taken the story and seperated it out from the thread and were cleaning it up and putting it into paragraph/story form. In addition, Feraway Hawkbriar had drawn pics of the different members of the Messageboardship. The pics on the page are from Brollum downward. All that Aldesign had up, which has been moved to a different site, are the chapter headings. The actual cleaned up story still needs to be posted. The story is the intellectual property of the people who wrote it. Would the writers please come foward and accept your award for causing a great controversy on Entmoot and for writing a very funny story. To all those new to this - Welcome to Entmoot-Gate. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 02-14-2002 at 11:26 AM.

02-14-2002, 09:48 AM	#20
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Of course the work belongs to the writers. However, it did originate on the Tolkien Trail. If the writers want it compiled somewhere we'd be more then happy to let it be submitted to Rivendell. However, it's rude to remove it from the site. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

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