Cornelius Fudge--former Death Eater?

durin's bane · 07-25-2003, 01:13 PM

Ever since I finished OOTP, I've been wondering about this. I think he could have been a Death Eater. Here's my reasons:

-Fudge knew nothing about being Minister...perhaps he thought that if he became Minister for Magic, he'd be well guarded and Voldemort would think twice about going after him, since Fudge would have Aurors on his side.

-How do we know that advice on being Minister was the only thing Fudge wanted from Dumbledore? Maybe he was also asking for information on Voldemort's wherabouts and how to protect himself if Voldemort got to him.

-Fudge might not have wanted to believe that Voldemort was back not only because he Voldy's a powerful dark lord and all, but because Voldemort might discover Fudge's place if his return is advertised too much and Fudge is asked his opinion too much.

But I also have my doubts. After all, wouldn't Fudge be all the way with Dumbledore?

But he also could be a current Death Eater in secret because he was all of a sudden totally against Dumbledore after Voldemort's return, and maybe he kept telling people not to believe what Harry and Dumbledore were saying because he didn't want Voldemort's position discovered. And could he have made the Dementors flee Azkaban to allow the imprisoned Death Eater's to escape? After all, as Minister he has control over the Dementors.

I've given my opinions, so you give yours.

***IronParrot*** · 07-25-2003, 04:10 PM

I would highly doubt this. He's just far too incompetent to be knowingly in league with Voldemort. I say knowingly because he's obviously under the influence of Voldemort's followers, especially Lucius Malfoy, who is clearly on his good side and likely wields some power over him.

He could have unleashed the Dementors or let the prisoners escape ages ago if he wanted, and he's fervent enough about using the Dementors to keep a lock and key on Azkaban that there is no reason to believe he had a direct, intentional role in trying to cause harm to the magical community.

His stern resolve to debunk the whole return-of-Voldemort thing in OOTP is clearly out of his long-standing belief that Dumbledore is a fearmongering paranoid. I find that Fudge was merely being politically selfish and trying to dodge responsibility.

Fimbrethil · 07-25-2003, 09:42 PM

I think FUdge is to stupid to be in league with Voldy. I mean Malfoy being buddy buddy to him had it's advantages but Voldy probably wouldn't want someone that dumb to be in league with haim.

Elf Girl · 07-26-2003, 11:36 AM

I highly doubt this. He represents the putting-of-the-head-in-the-sand, and the sinking-to-the-level-of-the-Death-Eaters.

Sween · 07-26-2003, 12:13 PM

If he was a Death Eater he would be in no doubt about Voldermorts return because he would have a death mark!

gollum9630 · 07-26-2003, 02:40 PM

he couldnt be a death eater because in book 4 voldemort says 3 are missing from the circle. One was at Hogworts,that was Crouch, one was to scared to return Karkaroff (sp), and the other had left forever and would be killed, Snape. There is no mention of Fudge in there at all.

Elf Girl · 07-27-2003, 01:58 PM

But it wasn't just those three. There were many other gaps in the circle, the narration doesn't give us his exact words for all of them.

Estel13 · 07-28-2003, 09:51 PM

I say he's under the Imperius Curse.

sun-star · 07-29-2003, 09:17 AM

If Fudge was a Death Eater, former or current, I think we'd know about it. He's an appeasing politician whose inability to listen to unpleasant facts puts the wizarding world in exactly the danger he's trying to avoid, but he's not a DE. He's weak, not evil. I feel sorry for him, in fact.

gimli7410 · 07-29-2003, 11:17 AM

he could be under the imperius curse but what would be the point malfoy is alreadya powerful figure in the ministry and is on the inside of everything crouch knows about. i think voldemort wouldnt waste his time on him

07-25-2003, 01:13 PM	#1
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Cornelius Fudge--former Death Eater? Ever since I finished OOTP, I've been wondering about this. I think he could have been a Death Eater. Here's my reasons: -Fudge knew nothing about being Minister...perhaps he thought that if he became Minister for Magic, he'd be well guarded and Voldemort would think twice about going after him, since Fudge would have Aurors on his side. -How do we know that advice on being Minister was the only thing Fudge wanted from Dumbledore? Maybe he was also asking for information on Voldemort's wherabouts and how to protect himself if Voldemort got to him. -Fudge might not have wanted to believe that Voldemort was back not only because he Voldy's a powerful dark lord and all, but because Voldemort might discover Fudge's place if his return is advertised too much and Fudge is asked his opinion too much. But I also have my doubts. After all, wouldn't Fudge be all the way with Dumbledore? But he also could be a current Death Eater in secret because he was all of a sudden totally against Dumbledore after Voldemort's return, and maybe he kept telling people not to believe what Harry and Dumbledore were saying because he didn't want Voldemort's position discovered. And could he have made the Dementors flee Azkaban to allow the imprisoned Death Eater's to escape? After all, as Minister he has control over the Dementors. I've given my opinions, so you give yours. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

07-25-2003, 04:10 PM	#2
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I would highly doubt this. He's just far too incompetent to be knowingly in league with Voldemort. I say knowingly because he's obviously under the influence of Voldemort's followers, especially Lucius Malfoy, who is clearly on his good side and likely wields some power over him. He could have unleashed the Dementors or let the prisoners escape ages ago if he wanted, and he's fervent enough about using the Dementors to keep a lock and key on Azkaban that there is no reason to believe he had a direct, intentional role in trying to cause harm to the magical community. His stern resolve to debunk the whole return-of-Voldemort thing in OOTP is clearly out of his long-standing belief that Dumbledore is a fearmongering paranoid. I find that Fudge was merely being politically selfish and trying to dodge responsibility. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-25-2003, 09:42 PM	#3
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	I think FUdge is to stupid to be in league with Voldy. I mean Malfoy being buddy buddy to him had it's advantages but Voldy probably wouldn't want someone that dumb to be in league with haim. __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

07-26-2003, 11:36 AM	#4
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I highly doubt this. He represents the putting-of-the-head-in-the-sand, and the sinking-to-the-level-of-the-Death-Eaters. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

07-26-2003, 12:13 PM	#5
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	If he was a Death Eater he would be in no doubt about Voldermorts return because he would have a death mark! __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-26-2003, 02:40 PM	#6
gollum9630 Canadian Guy. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The true North Strong and Free Posts: 1,513	he couldnt be a death eater because in book 4 voldemort says 3 are missing from the circle. One was at Hogworts,that was Crouch, one was to scared to return Karkaroff (sp), and the other had left forever and would be killed, Snape. There is no mention of Fudge in there at all. __________________ "Canadians are so apathetic, but, what are you gonna do about it" -Glen Foster Wierd Harry Potter quotes the old nintendo duck hunt game Lemmings Swron Random Homer Simpson Quotes

07-27-2003, 01:58 PM	#7
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	But it wasn't just those three. There were many other gaps in the circle, the narration doesn't give us his exact words for all of them. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

07-28-2003, 09:51 PM	#8
Estel13 RPG-aholic Psycho Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Final Fantasy Posts: 733	I say he's under the Imperius Curse. __________________

07-29-2003, 09:17 AM	#9
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	If Fudge was a Death Eater, former or current, I think we'd know about it. He's an appeasing politician whose inability to listen to unpleasant facts puts the wizarding world in exactly the danger he's trying to avoid, but he's not a DE. He's weak, not evil. I feel sorry for him, in fact. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

07-29-2003, 11:17 AM	#10
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	he could be under the imperius curse but what would be the point malfoy is alreadya powerful figure in the ministry and is on the inside of everything crouch knows about. i think voldemort wouldnt waste his time on him __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

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