Classical Music II - Page 4

hectorberlioz · 01-15-2008, 03:47 PM

Era: Mediaval
Type: Vocal/Choral
Composer: Guilliame de Machaut
Work: Messe de Notre Dame

The composer is Guilliame de Machaut, a mediaval poet/composer (back in the day when those two were inextricably fused), and the work is the justly famous and admired Messe de Notre Dame.
This is truly funky music. If you thought The Beatles were revolutionary in music, think again. The Messe de Notre Dame is like the rock 'n' roll of mediaval music. This work is mostly famous because it is the first mass written by a known composer (most others were single or jointly signed "Anonymous"). The sound you'll hear is a very "forward" kind of chanting that throws you for a loop...it doesn't "go" the way you think it will. It's a strange--just "strange"-- sound at first, but the more you listen, the more radical and exciting it becomes.
The recording I recommend is the recording performed by the Hilliard Ensemble, directed by Paul Hiller, on the Hyperion label. The CD also contains two other works by Machaut, the last track particularly contains a work that I can't get out of my head.
If you thought or still think that "chanting is boring", then you obviously haven't heard this stuff.

Amazon.Com Link to CD Search Results

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-20-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari

Listening to Haydn's Trumpet Concerto in E flat right now and before that Orpheus and Eurydice by Gluck. Unfortunately I don't have the entire performance, only several parts.
Ahh, great music it is.

*relaxes completely while listening and reading a book*

Who sings Orfeo in the Gluck you heard?

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-20-2008, 04:01 PM

Since I just mentioned my favourite mezzo, here's a recording from her for your delectation. She has a very unique style (at least, I've never heard anything like it), so keep that in mind:

Vivica sings Vivaldi

For a little contrast, here's Cecilia Bartoli singing the same piece:

Bartoli

I first heard her on a CD of arias written for Farinelli, the most famous castrato. I don't really like the music very much (as sometimes happens with Baroque music, and as even his contemporaries sometimes said of Farinelli, it is excessively ornamental, with more emphasis on virtuosity than on beautiful music). I realised, however, that I quite liked the singer, so I've gotten some other CDs from her; she's become one of my three favourite opera singers, along with Natalie Dessay and Philippe Jaroussky.

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-01-2010, 07:52 PM

Not sure if I posted this here before or not, but if I did, it won't hurt to re-post. Genaux's coloratura is INSANE.

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-21-2010, 10:12 PM

So Jaroussky sings Va tacito e nascosto much better than I would have expected; I always assumed it would be rather too low for him.

Grey_Wolf · 01-16-2008, 04:50 AM

Inbetween acts II and III in Carmen there is this beautiful intermediate piece I would love to get hold of. Do any of you have it in file. Would be most olbliged.

gw

sun-star · 01-16-2008, 06:33 AM

Hector, that link doesn't work. I want to learn more about Machaut!

hectorberlioz · 01-16-2008, 12:04 PM

Try now

, Sun-star.

hectorberlioz · 01-16-2008, 12:23 PM

Era: 20th Century
Type: Orchestral
Composer: Leos Janácek
Work: Sinfonietta

The composer is Leos Janácek, the third in the trinity of great Czech composers after Bedrich Smetana and Antonin Dvorak (....and Bohuslav Martinu, some might add). Well the Czechs have a lot to be proud of, because in addition to those just mentioned, Janacek was the most forward-looking of all of them. He wrote music that had a real edge at one moment, and at another instance it would sound 'heart-on-sleeve- romantic. This 'Sinfonietta' personifies this unique style of Janacek's. It opens and closes with a fanfare that, if you didn't know any better, you would think belonged in a patriotic American movie. In fact however, it was written by a then little-know Moravian (still Czech) composer as a patriotic duty for his country. Appropriately paired with fellow countryman Dvorak's Legends.Strongly recommend the reading by Neeme Jarvi and the Bamberg Symphony Orchestra. Amazon Link

hectorberlioz · 01-17-2008, 01:51 PM

Era: 20th Century
Type: Orchestral
Composer: Bela Bartok
Work: The Miraculous Mandarin

The composer is Bela Bartok, and the work is his ballet 'The Miraculous Mandarin'. No, it isn't about an citrus fruit that just "tastes so miraculous". Indeed, the plot is a lot more edgy than that. Quite violent in fact, so I won't give you the summary of the story. Unattached to the dance style, the music very much worth your time and investment. It's very driving music, exciting, and 'deliciously decadent'. If you're still stuck on the 'Classical is all for romantic evenings with [insert beloved's name] and fine wine...DO NOT PLAY THIS MUSIC ON ROMANTIC OCCASIONS. I recommend the recording by Ivan Fischer leading the Budapest Festival Orchestra on the Philips label. Amazon Link.

**Mari** · 01-22-2008, 05:45 AM

You know too much about the background of the music. If you do not know the background of the composer and listen to the music, there's no problem, right? And the problem won't arise until you know about it. The political things don't become apparent through the music. So then what's wrong with enjoying the music?
But that is just my humble and probably overly simplistic view.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2008, 02:06 PM

I just ran some references to Michael Maniaci, who, after further research, sounds very, very interesting indeed. Has anyone heard of him?

***Tessar*** · 03-21-2008, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

I just ran some references to Michael Maniaci, who, after further research, sounds very, very interesting indeed. Has anyone heard of him?

I've heard him, and I'm a bit unsure of how I feel about him. His diction REALLY bothers me, because half of his face is paralyzed so he can't really form all of the vowels properly. Also there's... something... in his sound that I don't really care for... I think it might be something about his vibrato.

On the other hand, he sings Mozart's Alleluia from the Exultate Jubilate better than 9/10ths of the sopranos I've ever heard if you ignore the diction... so... there it is. I definitely think he's got great technique.

Do you like him?

I'm particularly enamored of Susan Grahm right now. I've always loved her voice, but I found a recording of her singing A Chloris and I've been listening to it non-stop since that's one of my NATS songs

.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-07-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tessar

I've heard him, and I'm a bit unsure of how I feel about him. His diction REALLY bothers me, because half of his face is paralyzed so he can't really form all of the vowels properly. Also there's... something... in his sound that I don't really care for... I think it might be something about his vibrato.

On the other hand, he sings Mozart's Alleluia from the Exultate Jubilate better than 9/10ths of the sopranos I've ever heard if you ignore the diction... so... there it is. I definitely think he's got great technique.

Do you like him?

I haven't really heard much from him, but from what I have heard, he seems to have a very warm voice. It's kind of wierd, though, if you watch him singing, a lot of the time he almost looks like he's about to dislocate his jaw. Is this technique, or is it because of the facial palsy?

I actually thought his vibrato was glorious; it very much contributes to the warm feeling of his voice.

Coffeehouse · 04-17-2008, 07:53 PM

My favorite composer is by great leaps W. A. Mozart

And u can thank the movie 'Amadeus' for that. It's brilliant

**Mari** · 02-25-2008, 12:45 PM

I have a whole list of Sonata for Violin and Piano by Mozart on my computer (I think I have them all, but I'm not sure) but though I really like the arrangements I really really really dislike the sound of the violin. Does anyone have a suggestion for some good performances?

**Mari** · 03-18-2008, 01:55 PM

Just some nice relaxing music I'd like to recommend.
If you click on the link, you get to listen to a few samples. The music is rather busy, but it is also uplifting in a way.
Anyway:
Percy Grainger

Grey_Wolf · 03-21-2008, 09:08 AM

here is the intermezzo from carmen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ANOOr2aG6U

***Tessar*** · 03-21-2008, 09:14 AM

... Didn't that get used in a Bugs Bunny cartoon or two? O.o

hectorberlioz · 03-28-2008, 04:27 PM

A discovered Mozart portrait!!
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3549310.ece

01-15-2008, 03:47 PM	#1
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Hector's Daily CD Recommendation: Machaut Era: Mediaval Type: Vocal/Choral Composer: Guilliame de Machaut Work: Messe de Notre Dame The composer is Guilliame de Machaut, a mediaval poet/composer (back in the day when those two were inextricably fused), and the work is the justly famous and admired Messe de Notre Dame. This is truly funky music. If you thought The Beatles were revolutionary in music, think again. The Messe de Notre Dame is like the rock 'n' roll of mediaval music. This work is mostly famous because it is the first mass written by a known composer (most others were single or jointly signed "Anonymous"). The sound you'll hear is a very "forward" kind of chanting that throws you for a loop...it doesn't "go" the way you think it will. It's a strange--just "strange"-- sound at first, but the more you listen, the more radical and exciting it becomes. The recording I recommend is the recording performed by the Hilliard Ensemble, directed by Paul Hiller, on the Hyperion label. The CD also contains two other works by Machaut, the last track particularly contains a work that I can't get out of my head. If you thought or still think that "chanting is boring", then you obviously haven't heard this stuff. Amazon.Com Link to CD Search Results __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 01-16-2008 at 12:03 PM.

06-20-2008, 04:01 PM	#3
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Since I just mentioned my favourite mezzo, here's a recording from her for your delectation. She has a very unique style (at least, I've never heard anything like it), so keep that in mind: Vivica sings Vivaldi For a little contrast, here's Cecilia Bartoli singing the same piece: Bartoli I first heard her on a CD of arias written for Farinelli, the most famous castrato. I don't really like the music very much (as sometimes happens with Baroque music, and as even his contemporaries sometimes said of Farinelli, it is excessively ornamental, with more emphasis on virtuosity than on beautiful music). I realised, however, that I quite liked the singer, so I've gotten some other CDs from her; she's become one of my three favourite opera singers, along with Natalie Dessay and Philippe Jaroussky. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle Last edited by Gwaimir Windgem : 06-20-2008 at 04:11 PM.

06-01-2010, 07:52 PM	#4
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Not sure if I posted this here before or not, but if I did, it won't hurt to re-post. Genaux's coloratura is INSANE. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

06-21-2010, 10:12 PM	#5
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	So Jaroussky sings Va tacito e nascosto much better than I would have expected; I always assumed it would be rather too low for him. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-16-2008, 06:33 AM	#7
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Hector, that link doesn't work. I want to learn more about Machaut! __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

01-16-2008, 04:50 AM	#6
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Inbetween acts II and III in Carmen there is this beautiful intermediate piece I would love to get hold of. Do any of you have it in file. Would be most olbliged. gw

01-16-2008, 12:04 PM	#8
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Try now, Sun-star. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-16-2008, 12:23 PM	#9
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Hector's Daily CD Recommendation: Janacek Era: 20th Century Type: Orchestral Composer: Leos Janácek Work: Sinfonietta The composer is Leos Janácek, the third in the trinity of great Czech composers after Bedrich Smetana and Antonin Dvorak (....and Bohuslav Martinu, some might add). Well the Czechs have a lot to be proud of, because in addition to those just mentioned, Janacek was the most forward-looking of all of them. He wrote music that had a real edge at one moment, and at another instance it would sound 'heart-on-sleeve- romantic. This 'Sinfonietta' personifies this unique style of Janacek's. It opens and closes with a fanfare that, if you didn't know any better, you would think belonged in a patriotic American movie. In fact however, it was written by a then little-know Moravian (still Czech) composer as a patriotic duty for his country. Appropriately paired with fellow countryman Dvorak's Legends.Strongly recommend the reading by Neeme Jarvi and the Bamberg Symphony Orchestra. Amazon Link __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-17-2008, 01:51 PM	#10
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Hector's Daily CD Recommendation: Bartok Era: 20th Century Type: Orchestral Composer: Bela Bartok Work: The Miraculous Mandarin The composer is Bela Bartok, and the work is his ballet 'The Miraculous Mandarin'. No, it isn't about an citrus fruit that just "tastes so miraculous". Indeed, the plot is a lot more edgy than that. Quite violent in fact, so I won't give you the summary of the story. Unattached to the dance style, the music very much worth your time and investment. It's very driving music, exciting, and 'deliciously decadent'. If you're still stuck on the 'Classical is all for romantic evenings with [insert beloved's name] and fine wine...DO NOT PLAY THIS MUSIC ON ROMANTIC OCCASIONS. I recommend the recording by Ivan Fischer leading the Budapest Festival Orchestra on the Philips label. Amazon Link. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 01-17-2008 at 01:52 PM.

01-22-2008, 05:45 AM	#11
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	You know too much about the background of the music. If you do not know the background of the composer and listen to the music, there's no problem, right? And the problem won't arise until you know about it. The political things don't become apparent through the music. So then what's wrong with enjoying the music? But that is just my humble and probably overly simplistic view. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

02-04-2008, 02:06 PM	#12
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I just ran some references to Michael Maniaci, who, after further research, sounds very, very interesting indeed. Has anyone heard of him? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-17-2008, 07:53 PM	#15
Coffeehouse Entmoot Minister of Foreign Affairs Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 2,145	My favorite composer is by great leaps W. A. Mozart And u can thank the movie 'Amadeus' for that. It's brilliant __________________ "Well, thief! I smell you and I feel your air. I hear your breath. Come along! Help yourself again, there is plenty and to spare."

02-25-2008, 12:45 PM	#16
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	I have a whole list of Sonata for Violin and Piano by Mozart on my computer (I think I have them all, but I'm not sure) but though I really like the arrangements I really really really dislike the sound of the violin. Does anyone have a suggestion for some good performances? __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-18-2008, 01:55 PM	#17
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Just some nice relaxing music I'd like to recommend. If you click on the link, you get to listen to a few samples. The music is rather busy, but it is also uplifting in a way. Anyway: Percy Grainger __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-21-2008, 09:08 AM	#18
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	here is the intermezzo from carmen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ANOOr2aG6U

03-21-2008, 09:14 AM	#19
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	... Didn't that get used in a Bugs Bunny cartoon or two? O.o

03-28-2008, 04:27 PM	#20
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	A discovered Mozart portrait!! http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3549310.ece __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

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