Chapter one-the boy who lived

[jammi567]

We've worked out and so know roughly where Godrics Hollow is, but does Harry himself know? Here is an essay saying where it could be

[Ireth]

Personally, I think, the Fidelius charm, like the unbreakable vow would need a third person to actually perform it. So, apart from the ones being protected and the secretkeeper, there is a possibility that the performer of the charm may also have known the location.


On another note, the Potters may have chosen to let Dumbledore know their location, seeing that he was the head of the Order.

[durinsbane2244]

i'm saying that in order for anyone to find Godric's Hollow the night that the potters were killed to get harry, peter would have had to told them, so they should have known he was the secret keeper. understand?

[jammi567]

makes sense. of course.

[durinsbane2244]

so therefore, it does NOT make sense that everyone thought sirius was the secret-keeper, yet they were still able to retrieve harry from the wreckage.

[jammi567]

Maybe, like Ireth said, the potters told dumbledore (as he practically owned the whole of wiziding brition) where they were going to hide (or maybe he suggested it himself), but they forgot to mention that they changed secret keepers.

[durinsbane2244]

even if he already knew, the charm would make them unfindable. so there.

[jammi567]

But surely, if you knew where they were hiding, even with the charm in effect, you're not going to go 'oh dear, i suddenly can't remember where the potter's live', and then when the charm's lifted, 'oh, i suddenly know/remember where they live', are you?

[durinsbane2244]

er, yeah. see, that's magic, eh?

[Serenoli]

Yes, it makes sense. Like how Grimmauld Place pops up in the midst of two other houses... it gave me a headach when I first tried to imagine it. To me, it is clear one of the Potters performed the spell, and so when they died, the spell lifted, and people didn't need Pettigrew to find the house. They, in fact, suddenly knew where it was. That may have been sufficient to inform Dumbledore that the Potters were murdered, without needing details from Snape.

This is however, an assumption only, and I'll only be certain if I find Dumbledore's Fidelius Charm on Grimmauld Place has also lifted after his death.

[durinsbane2244]

yes, see, that's the thing. it has to be that way. otherwise, the question will be raised as to how they found the dead potters and harry.

[klatukatt]

Originally Posted by jammi567

Maybe, like Ireth said, the potters told dumbledore (as he practically owned the whole of wiziding brition) where they were going to hide (or maybe he suggested it himself), but they forgot to mention that they changed secret keepers.

"as he practically owned the whole of wiziding brition"
I can see that. Dumbledore rules you ALLL!

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One thought, though I don't know if this was already mentioned, about Minerva and Albus's absence from Hogwarts:
Wasn't Hogwarts closed because of the threat of attack?
I mean, they were ready to close the school when the Chamber of Secrets was opened again.

[durinsbane2244]

oooh! clever, klat katt! [oh yeah, left out the u, you know it] good point...

[jammi567]

Originally Posted by klatukatt

One thought, though I don't know if this was already mentioned, about Minerva and Albus's absence from Hogwarts:
Wasn't Hogwarts closed because of the threat of attack?
I mean, they were ready to close the school when the Chamber of Secrets was opened again.

What attack? the one thing voldy didn't do because of dumbledore was to try and attack the school. therefore, why would the school have to close?

[durinsbane2244]

they most likely closed it because they feared that with his increased powers he WOULD attack it. i mean, a wee lizard was loose and they considered shutting down, if the lord of all darkness is out there, i think it might have been thought of.

[jammi567]

But why would there be any point in trying to attack the school in the first place, apart from trying to kill dumbledore. wouldn't it be better to attack the minestry, especially as they had enough bloody insiders to do it.

[durinsbane2244]

that was probably on his list too. see, like DD was saying, he would make it a training ground, eh?

[jammi567]

Do you want to answer any of the other questionds of about 20 that i have?

[durinsbane2244]

lol, i have answer a FEW others...

anyway,

Originally Posted by jammi567

Why do you think JKR uses the term Put-Outer? Why was McGonagall sitting on a brick wall all day? What did the people who had Transfiguration that day do, or had to see the headmaster? What is the significance of that statement? Dumbledore also says that he passed a dozen feasts that day. But if he was Apperating around, how could he have passed them?

let's seee..... Put-Outer, because this book was a children's book and it is simple and direct. McGonagall was checking out the area, family, and waiting for DD. I think it has been mentioned that the school was probably closed DD obviously had to be asking around to find out what's shakin', even he need to find these things out, and also, in book 6, we see that is is rude to apparate immediately at or in one's home, so he had to hoof it a bit. i think that was rather good...

[jammi567]

When you say that they closed the school for the day, do you mean that they simply had no leasons that day, despite all the other teachers there, or some other meaning?