Theology III

***Earniel*** · 03-22-2007, 05:17 AM

Third thread, and the debate can continue.

The topic,as before, is religion.

Original thread starter was Ruinel.

The previous threads were Real debate thread for religion and Theological opinions, part II. Both have reached the 1000-post limit, and are now closed.

PS: If anyone wonders why I named this thread 'theology' instead of the 'theological opinions', I have had a request for a name change, and I think the new title is indeed better suited. If you do not agree, feel free to PM me.

Have fun.

Count Comfect · 03-22-2007, 06:48 AM

Despite an excellent attempt by Lief, Rian still has the most posts in the three versions of this thread, somewhere north of 300...

I kinda liked the "opinions" in the title - it reminded me (at least) that what we're debating/arguing are our opinions, and not something to get highly offended about. But I guess "-logy" means "study of," so still no hard feelings...

***Rían*** · 03-22-2007, 10:09 AM

*is soaking her sore little fingers in a soothing finger-bath*

hectorberlioz · 03-22-2007, 10:34 AM

Oh sheesh

, my music teacher is hugey anti-Catholic/Early Church.

Apparently:

Only monks were allowed to learn to read.

Gregory the Great didn't let anyone else write a liturgy format. (So Basil and Chrysostom were in competition?)

Germans couldn't understand Latin, because they didn't live in Rome.

It's weird that mediavals used actual numbers in desiging their church buildings rather than just making a simple corn cob hut.

Oh yeah, and of course the world was considered flat (true!), and that this makes them all bigots.

And the "bone church" in Prague is creepy and evil, because they have bones there.

sun-star · 03-22-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Only monks were allowed to learn to read.

Oh haven't you heard? That's still Church policy

hectorberlioz · 03-22-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sun-star

Oh haven't you heard? That's still Church policy

Of course

. Pope Benedict owns over 200,000 books. Those are all the ones he confiscated

.

Lief Erikson · 03-22-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

Despite an excellent attempt by Lief, Rian still has the most posts in the three versions of this thread, somewhere north of 300...

Darn . . .

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

I kinda liked the "opinions" in the title - it reminded me (at least) that what we're debating/arguing are our opinions, and not something to get highly offended about. But I guess "-logy" means "study of," so still no hard feelings...

Myself, I prefer the new name. Because I don't think it's all just opinions, any more than science is just a bunch of opinions. They're opinions based upon evidence in both cases, so the new name makes more sense to me. The previous seems to take it as an assumption that all the theological positions I've been arguing for throughout all my time on Entmoot are wrong

.

By the way, how did you find out, Count Comfect, how many posts each person has submitted in this thread? I bet it has something to do with the Find, but I've never understood very well how that works.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-22-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Oh sheesh

, my music teacher is hugey anti-Catholic/Early Church.

I hate it when people are hugey anything.

Quote:

Germans couldn't understand Latin, because they didn't live in Rome.

Wait...I don't live in Rome! Well, sh**, I guess that means I don't understand Latin! What have they been teaching me here for the last two years? What did I write my last paper in?

Quote:

Oh yeah, and of course the world was considered flat (true!), and that this makes them all bigots.

Gods, people...the world was generally believed, at least in intellectual circles, to be spherical from a very early time. Get yer facts straight already!

***Rían*** · 03-22-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

By the way, how did you find out, Count Comfect, how many posts each person has submitted in this thread? I bet it has something to do with the Find, but I've never understood very well how that works.

He just has a lot of time on his hands ...

(at the forum level, click on the number in the "replies" column for the thread you want to know about)

**Nurvingiel** · 03-22-2007, 01:25 PM

I agree with Lief completely. Theology isn't a bunch of opinions, and saying so diminishes the scope of discussion. When you talk about theology, you're going to state your opinions, but you're also going to explain your beliefs, and cite facts.

I think this will be an interesting debate.

So I'll throw a question out there, unless someone wants to restart the discussion from the end of the last thread.

Now, I'm not picking on the Catholic Church, but I am curious as to why nuns can't practice Mass.

One possible question of many to discuss.

brownjenkins · 03-22-2007, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

The previous seems to take it as an assumption that all the theological positions I've been arguing for throughout all my time on Entmoot are wrong

.

Speaking of which, this new thread doesn't get you off the hook for answering all my points in the last one.

brownjenkins · 03-22-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

When you talk about theology, you're going to state your opinions, but you're also going to explain your beliefs, and cite facts.

Of course, all "facts" are colored by opinions, especially where theology is concerned.

**Nurvingiel** · 03-22-2007, 02:05 PM

Not necessarily. "Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God" is a fact about the religion.

But you're right, some times opinions are presented as facts.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-22-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Not necessarily. "Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God" is a fact about the religion.

But you're right, some times opinions are presented as facts.

"Therefore, Jesus is the only son of God" is an opinion. "Therefore I believeJesus is the son of God" is a fact.

The problem in this thread is that people wish to present their belief systems as facts about the world. That may be common and normal behavior, but it makes it impossible to discuss much of it on its own merits.

brownjenkins · 03-22-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Not necessarily. "Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God" is a fact about the religion.

While that is certainly the majority opinion. Not all Christians do. Some sects don't even believe that Jesus was divine, they just think that god worked through the human Jesus.

brownjenkins · 03-22-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

That may be common and normal behavior, but it makes it impossible to discuss much of it on its own merits.

I agree.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-22-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brownjenkins

I agree.

But I'm framing it, anyway.

Count Comfect · 03-22-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Now, I'm not picking on the Catholic Church, but I am curious as to why nuns can't practice Mass.

Because practice makes perfect, and mankind is inherently imperfect...

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-22-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Comfect

Because practice makes perfect, and mankind is inherently imperfect...

I was fishing around near "they're busy practicing Gravity", "they're too grave", but I couldn't quite get there.

hectorberlioz · 03-22-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

I hate it when people are hugey anything.

Yeah, like hookah smokers...*gulp* (

)

Quote:

Wait...I don't live in Rome! Well, sh**, I guess that means I don't understand Latin! What have they been teaching me here for the last two years? What did I write my last paper in?

Silly Gwai, tricks are for kids.

Quote:

Gods, people...the world was generally believed, at least in intellectual circles, to be spherical from a very early time. Get yer facts straight already!

So can you fly over here for my next music class?

Please

03-22-2007, 05:17 AM	#1
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Theology III Third thread, and the debate can continue. The topic,as before, is religion. Original thread starter was Ruinel. The previous threads were Real debate thread for religion and Theological opinions, part II. Both have reached the 1000-post limit, and are now closed. PS: If anyone wonders why I named this thread 'theology' instead of the 'theological opinions', I have had a request for a name change, and I think the new title is indeed better suited. If you do not agree, feel free to PM me. Have fun. __________________ We are not things.

03-22-2007, 06:48 AM	#2
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Despite an excellent attempt by Lief, Rian still has the most posts in the three versions of this thread, somewhere north of 300... I kinda liked the "opinions" in the title - it reminded me (at least) that what we're debating/arguing are our opinions, and not something to get highly offended about. But I guess "-logy" means "study of," so still no hard feelings... __________________ Sufficient to have stood, yet free to fall.

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