Writing using Tengwar characters - II - Page 2

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:30 PM

Thanks Katya! Your an ellen! (star, I think!lol)

Used Flickr in the end! so here goes!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/...06ee568a_b.jpg

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:32 PM

SUCCESS!!!! Yippee

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:35 PM

I've also done - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/...6bdfeaa9_b.jpg

It's a poem I found online that I really liked! It reads-

I GÃºron.

I gÃºron cÃªn velethronen
Ias palan-revia pen rÃ¢d
Ai, ithil veren cenithach
Estel 'uren vi estolad.

ThÃ®r dÃ*n cenithach, thÃ®r dÃ*n vell
I anÃ*ron cened trÃ® chin
Limp a nÃ*niel ah rÃ*w garan,
DÃ¢n bannen ah calad sui lÃ*n.

Ten anno hiniath o nin.
Pedo gÃ»r hen dartha thenin
A mibo thÃ®r dÃ*n ah mipheleg
A tiro din, seron vell nÃ*n.

~~~~~~~~
Which means
~~~~~~~~

The Crescent Moon

The crescent moon sees my lover
Where he wanders far, pathless.
Ah, joyous moon, you will see
My heart's hope in an encampment.

His face you shall see, his dear face
That I desire to see through eyes
Wet and tearful with red borders,
But filled with a light like yours.

Give him news of me.
Say this heart stays true
And kiss his face with a little kiss
And watch over him, my dear lover.

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:37 PM

Although I'm not too sure on the translation! It was written by some-one claiming to be "Luthien", english and sindarin, but I'm not sure how accuratly it's been translated, either way, it still looks and sounds good!

***RÃan*** · 06-17-2010, 01:39 AM

Here is part 1 of the wonderful thread we had on writing in Tengwar (English mode, so you don't have to learn a language and can start writing all you want to immediately!!). And here is part two of the thread, which I will also bump for you

***Earniel*** · 06-18-2010, 04:53 AM

I just realised this was in General Messages, so moving this thread to the Middle-earth forum, and merging it in the other, active thread.

***RÃan*** · 06-17-2010, 01:41 AM

*bumps thread*

Hirulin · 06-17-2010, 08:34 PM

Any-one wanna tengwar pen-pal? (I know it's kinda sad, but what the hell! lol!)

Sindarin mode, english words!

NdC

***RÃan*** · 11-16-2010, 05:31 PM

*bump*

***RÃan*** · 05-03-2015, 01:51 AM

I've started writing in Tengwar again, so I thought I'd bump this thread

It's been a few years since I've written in Tengwar (I write in the English language with the Tengwar character set) and I thought it would take a while to get back up to speed, but I was very surprised (and pleased) at how fast it came back.

Anyone else around here writing in Tengwar?

***Alcuin*** · 05-03-2015, 02:15 AM

Yes. I use Tengwar Annatar and Tengwar Parmaite (here or here) for computer.

Galin is rather expert on Tengwar and Sindarin.

tolkienfan · 05-04-2015, 12:04 PM

I took a religion class in college where most of the syllabus was made up of works by Tolkien (yes, it was an awesome class

) For extra credit, we could enter a Tolkien art contest. Only problem is, I don't have an artistic bone in my body. So I took a poem about the stars that I'd written in Quenya, and copied it in Tengwar onto some black paper with a silver pen. I ended up being called to the front of the class to read the poem in elvish, along with the translation. Everyone clapped and I got the "people's choice award" for my submission! First time I'd ever entered an art contest, much less won anything! And I didn't even have to do anything that involved actual skill

***RÃan*** · 05-05-2015, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tolkienfan

I took a religion class in college where most of the syllabus was made up of works by Tolkien (yes, it was an awesome class

) For extra credit, we could enter a Tolkien art contest. Only problem is, I don't have an artistic bone in my body. So I took a poem about the stars that I'd written in Quenya, and copied it in Tengwar onto some black paper with a silver pen. I ended up being called to the front of the class to read the poem in elvish, along with the translation. Everyone clapped and I got the "people's choice award" for my submission! First time I'd ever entered an art contest, much less won anything! And I didn't even have to do anything that involved actual skill

no actual skill? and you wrote a poem in Quenya and wrote it down using the Tengwar letters? Sounds like skill to me

Can you post it here?

tolkienfan · 05-06-2015, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

no actual skill? and you wrote a poem in Quenya and wrote it down using the Tengwar letters? Sounds like skill to me

Can you post it here?

Haha I guess I meant artistic skill

Can I post it? I tried to upload a picture as an attachment but got the message "upload failed". Nerdanel always has such nice pictures so it must be possible... I'd be happy to post if someone can give me some assistance!

Galin · 05-05-2015, 08:25 AM

Thanks for the confidence Alcuin! But that said, I am far from an expert on the languages or the writing systems... that adjective belongs to folks like those who publish Vinyar Tengwar, for example. What I do is:

A) if I have time (and feel inclined to)... I try to answer the easier questions or requests (especially if short)

And importantly...

B) I try to find Tolkien made examples to back up something I say...

... although this can be a bit tricky for me in the field of linguistics since "one does not know what one does not know".

***Earniel*** · 05-05-2015, 04:26 PM

Still pretty much a angerthas girl, the vowel-thing in Tengwar keeps tripping me up. I appreciate its beauty but not its practicality.

***RÃan*** · 05-05-2015, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EÃ¤rniel

Still pretty much a angerthas girl, the vowel-thing in Tengwar keeps tripping me up. I appreciate its beauty but not its practicality.

Oh, I love the vowel marks!! For me, it's fun because it's so different from English writing.

Samples please?

Samples from everyone, please!

so fun to see! I guess I need to dust off my photo bucket account; is that the best way, guys?

***Earniel*** · 05-06-2015, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

Oh, I love the vowel marks!! For me, it's fun because it's so different from English writing.

Fun but complicated.

It isn't always evident when something is in Quenya mode or Sindarin mode and that makes for very slow reading. Especially if it's in another language too. (Not that I'm anywhere near speed-reading in angerthas, mind.)

Usually I just resort to carrier signs at the right spot of a vowel in our script, but somehow that doesn't feel like how Tolkien intended it...

Quote:

Samples from everyone, please!

so fun to see! I guess I need to dust off my photo bucket account; is that the best way, guys?

Lead by example?

Galin · 05-06-2015, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EÃ¤rniel

Still pretty much a angerthas girl, the vowel-thing in Tengwar keeps tripping me up. I appreciate its beauty but not its practicality.

Hmm, maybe the Mode of Beleriand, attested for writing in Sindarin, is for you?

Quote:

This "antique S[indarin] mode" [DTS 58] is a mode of quanta sarme ("full writing"), meaning that both consonants and vowels are written with tengwar. In this it followed the quanta sarme which Feanor created "for the Loremasters" to represent Quenya. It is said that for languages such as Sindarin, "the diacritic method of indicating vowels was inconvenient"

Source, see below

Although there are still some uses for diacritics if I recall correctly, generally speaking there should be far less tripping. There is also (seemingly) a "general mode" which allows more freedom when using the diacritical marks.

Quote:

"Vowels are in the General Use primarily represented by Ã³matehtar, vowel-marks. As demonstrated in DTS 58 [Tolkien's "Howlett Rivendell Inscriptions"], vowel-marks may in this mode be placed either above the following or the preceding consonant tengwa."

http://at.mansbjorkman.net/teng_general.htm

I assume as long as you are consistent within a given text, anyway.

***RÃan*** · 05-06-2015, 07:26 PM

me too, I just don't know how ... do you use photo bucket, people-that-know-how?

06-16-2010, 02:30 PM	#1
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Thanks Katya! Your an ellen! (star, I think!lol) Used Flickr in the end! so here goes! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/...06ee568a_b.jpg __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:32 PM	#2
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	SUCCESS!!!! Yippee __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:35 PM	#3
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	I've also done - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/...6bdfeaa9_b.jpg It's a poem I found online that I really liked! It reads- I GÃºron. I gÃºron cÃªn velethronen Ias palan-revia pen rÃ¢d Ai, ithil veren cenithach Estel 'uren vi estolad. ThÃ®r dÃn cenithach, thÃ®r dÃn vell I anÃron cened trÃ® chin Limp a nÃniel ah rÃw garan, DÃ¢n bannen ah calad sui lÃn. Ten anno hiniath o nin. Pedo gÃ»r hen dartha thenin A mibo thÃ®r dÃn ah mipheleg A tiro din, seron vell nÃn. ~~~~~~~~ Which means ~~~~~~~~ The Crescent Moon The crescent moon sees my lover Where he wanders far, pathless. Ah, joyous moon, you will see My heart's hope in an encampment. His face you shall see, his dear face That I desire to see through eyes Wet and tearful with red borders, But filled with a light like yours. Give him news of me. Say this heart stays true And kiss his face with a little kiss And watch over him, my dear lover. __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:37 PM	#4
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Although I'm not too sure on the translation! It was written by some-one claiming to be "Luthien", english and sindarin, but I'm not sure how accuratly it's been translated, either way, it still looks and sounds good! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-17-2010, 01:39 AM	#5
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Here is part 1 of the wonderful thread we had on writing in Tengwar (English mode, so you don't have to learn a language and can start writing all you want to immediately!!). And here is part two of the thread, which I will also bump for you __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 06-17-2010 at 01:40 AM.

06-18-2010, 04:53 AM	#6
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I just realised this was in General Messages, so moving this thread to the Middle-earth forum, and merging it in the other, active thread. __________________ We are not things.

06-17-2010, 01:41 AM	#7
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	bumps thread __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

06-17-2010, 08:34 PM	#8
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Any-one wanna tengwar pen-pal? (I know it's kinda sad, but what the hell! lol!) Sindarin mode, english words! NdC __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

11-16-2010, 05:31 PM	#9
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	bump __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

05-03-2015, 01:51 AM	#10
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I've started writing in Tengwar again, so I thought I'd bump this thread It's been a few years since I've written in Tengwar (I write in the English language with the Tengwar character set) and I thought it would take a while to get back up to speed, but I was very surprised (and pleased) at how fast it came back. Anyone else around here writing in Tengwar? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

05-03-2015, 02:15 AM	#11
*Alcuin* Salt Miner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: gone to Far Harad Posts: 987	Yes. I use Tengwar Annatar and Tengwar Parmaite (here or here) for computer. Galin is rather expert on Tengwar and Sindarin.

05-04-2015, 12:04 PM	#12
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	I took a religion class in college where most of the syllabus was made up of works by Tolkien (yes, it was an awesome class ) For extra credit, we could enter a Tolkien art contest. Only problem is, I don't have an artistic bone in my body. So I took a poem about the stars that I'd written in Quenya, and copied it in Tengwar onto some black paper with a silver pen. I ended up being called to the front of the class to read the poem in elvish, along with the translation. Everyone clapped and I got the "people's choice award" for my submission! First time I'd ever entered an art contest, much less won anything! And I didn't even have to do anything that involved actual skill __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar!

05-05-2015, 08:25 AM	#15
Galin Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 222	Thanks for the confidence Alcuin! But that said, I am far from an expert on the languages or the writing systems... that adjective belongs to folks like those who publish Vinyar Tengwar, for example. What I do is: A) if I have time (and feel inclined to)... I try to answer the easier questions or requests (especially if short) And importantly... B) I try to find Tolkien made examples to back up something I say... ... although this can be a bit tricky for me in the field of linguistics since "one does not know what one does not know". Last edited by Galin : 05-05-2015 at 09:30 AM.

05-05-2015, 04:26 PM	#16
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Still pretty much a angerthas girl, the vowel-thing in Tengwar keeps tripping me up. I appreciate its beauty but not its practicality.

05-06-2015, 07:26 PM	#20
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	me too, I just don't know how ... do you use photo bucket, people-that-know-how? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

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