Why Everyone Hates Communists - Page 2

Nerdanel · 03-25-2004, 11:25 AM

In the Political Compass I was
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41 .
Just like Ghandi!

After reading the The Communist Manifesto (thanks Ruinel

), I understood that both communism and social democracy developed from Marx's view; neither one of them is marxism. The book was actually very interesting to read, but I'm not saying I agree with it.
Has anyone else read it?

Ruinel · 03-25-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by The Gaffer
...If anyone's interested, there's a groovy web site called the Political Compass which asks you a bunch of questions then maps you on a political graph. What I like about it is that it's not just "left-right", but also includes an "authoritarian-libertarian" axis.

You can see how your views compare with political parties, presidential candidates and world figures. It helps to explain why someone like me (scored -8,-6) is just as far removed from Stalin (communist, but mostly extreme authoritarian) as from George Bush (authoritarian but mostly extreme right wing).

Surely this is incorrect.. I scored a -4.00 (Economic left/right), and a -4.56 (Social libertarian/Authoritarian)... I'm a Left Libertarian????

At least I'm with good people, I think very highly of Gandhi.

Edit: On the Brittish political chart, I'm where the Greens are. I don't even know who they are.

Ruinel · 03-25-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Nerdanel
In the Political Compass I was
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41 .
Just like Ghandi!

After reading the The Communist Manifesto (thanks Ruinel ), I understood that both communism and social democracy developed from Marx's view; neither one of them is marxism. The book was actually very interesting to read, but I'm not saying I agree with it.
Has anyone else read it?

No, I haven't read it. I don't read many political books, unless it's a requirement for a class. I'd rather read The Sil 4 trillion times.

Nerdanel · 03-25-2004, 12:04 PM

I'd rather do that too, but i had to choose a book from a list in school, and the Darwin book had sooooooooooooo many pages!!!!!

It would have been interesting, though.

sun-star · 03-25-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
On the Brittish political chart, I'm where the Greens are. I don't even know who they are.

They're nobodies, sorry

Environmentalists, basically, no seats in Parliament

I got Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44
which is weird, because that puts me to the left of the Lib Dems

Janny, I think extreme Communism is a phase a lot of teenagers go through. Maybe those are the ones you've met

Beruthiel's cat · 03-25-2004, 03:49 PM

After taking the test, I discovered I am in the Libertarian Left with Nelson Mandela, Michael Moore and Al Franken.

I'm sure Valandil will be shocked to learn this... (heeheehee)

Yep. That's me all right -- er -- left...

**Nurvingiel** · 03-25-2004, 04:09 PM

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

I'm slightly to the right and more anarchist than Gandhi. I think I'm hanging out with Nelson Mandela.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I meant to add, that though idealogically communism is a fine idea, there's two fundamental flaws.

1. It provides no incentive to do well, since all jobs receive the same income. You end up with Ladas for cars.

2. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you put only one person or political party in charge, an egalitarian society will quickly become two-tiered, with those in power exploiting the system.

(You see him repressing me? You saw him didn't you! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!)

Janny · 03-25-2004, 04:24 PM

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.03
Hmm, that doesn't sound like me...

Yes.
Communism:
Ultimate disadvantage:
As Nurv said, you get Ladas for cars.

Ultimate advantage:
Would we have the phrase 'take that you commie b******d!! ?

Nerdanel · 03-25-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by sun-star
They're nobodies, sorry Environmentalists, basically, no seats in Parliament

In the Finnish Parliament the Greens have 14 members of totally 200. They've been in the government many years.
So here they're not nobodies.

Janny · 03-25-2004, 05:26 PM

Oh the Greens in Britain are quite nobodies I assure you.
But funnier are the natural law party. The policies follow thus: (ish)
People are inherantly good. Therefore, reduce police force and trust criminals to be nice. They also believe in levitation.

Now, you don't know where, if anywhere, I stopped telling the truth.

The Gaffer · 03-26-2004, 04:56 AM

I do, you didn't.

I was a little bit suspicious of that chart thing, groovy though it is, as I don't think of myself as being THAT left-wing. So, it's interesting to see a range that goes all the way to +5.

Ruinel, the Greens are environmentalists: into recycling, decentralisation of power, saving trees, etc. And yes, they get hardly any votes.

Though I for one am considering voting for them next time, simply because they're the only party it doesn't make me feel physically sick to vote for. There might be a few similar leftists who will never vote for Bliar again.

The Natural Law Party are nothing compared to the Official Monster Raving Loony Party, whose policies include changing the traffic rules so that cars drive on the left and buses on the right.

Falagar · 03-26-2004, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by Beruthiel's cat
"While jersydevil is being held, his meals will consist of Powdermilk Busciuts and his only entertainment will be 20 years of Garrison Keilor monolouges from 'A Prairie Home Companion' after which he will adopt the Minnesota way of life, eat lutefisk and bring a hot dish to the next church supper at Our Lady of Perpetual Responsiblity church in Lake Wobegon."

(This is all according to the Geneva Convention, by the way, so no complaining, JD. You remember the Geneva convention...the one the Shriners held in Geneva, NY???)

Lutefisk...that's supposed to be a punishment?

The Greens barely have any seats here as well, though there are worse parties that have a lot of votes...like FRP.

jerseydevil · 03-26-2004, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Janny
Oh the Greens in Britain are quite nobodies I assure you.

The Green Party is pretty much a nobody party here - but Ralph Nader is/was a memeber of the Green Party.

Janny · 03-26-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar

The Greens barely have any seats here as well, though there are worse parties that have a lot of votes...like FRP.

Or the democrats!

Gaffer, the left / right is economic only. I came out dead centre despite my right leanings because you had to be right to agree with the right, but not necessarily left to agree with the left stuff. eg: Bottling water, only for the right. From each according to his means, to each according to his needs is the fundamentals of Communism, but you don't have to far left to disagree with it in principle .

Incidentally, Mr. Blair's name is spelt BLAIR not BLIAR. An honest error I'm sure.

Katt_knome_hobbit · 03-26-2004, 05:28 PM

On my political scale I got
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

Right there next to the Dali Lama.

And I think that the idea that water is good for communism is true. Here in Seattle, WA, we have quite a few bands of communists and socialists.

REVOLUTION TIME!

Insidious Rex · 03-26-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by The Gaffer

The Natural Law Party are nothing compared to the Official Monster Raving Loony Party, whose policies include changing the traffic rules so that cars drive on the left and buses on the right.

Is that like the Silly Party? Whose the Sensible Party then?

Ruinel · 03-26-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
The Green Party is pretty much a nobody party here - but Ralph Nader is/was a memeber of the Green Party.

Hey, I would have voted for him if I had thought he would have any chance to win.

Because of the way Bush won, I wish I had voted for Nader anyway. It seems my vote was already predetermined for me anyway. I should have voted with my conscience.

jerseydevil · 03-26-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Hey, I would have voted for him if I had thought he would have any chance to win. Because of the way Bush won, I wish I had voted for Nader anyway. It seems my vote was already predetermined for me anyway. I should have voted with my conscience.

Bush won the same way as all elections are won. The supreme court just didn't let Gore get his haphazard counting he wanted to do in florida. If the counting was going to be done - the whole state should have been counted - not piecemeal of only the democractic destricts like gore wanted.

Nader is a socialist.

Ruinel · 03-26-2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
...Nader is a socialist.

At least he's not in the pocket of the oil industry.

jerseydevil · 03-26-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
At least he's not in the pocket of the oil industry.

Nothing wrong with that really. The oil industry is just like any industry and if you can find a president that doesn't have ties to some industry - that would be quite amazing.

03-25-2004, 11:25 AM	#21
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	In the Political Compass I was Economic Left/Right: -5.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41 . Just like Ghandi! After reading the The Communist Manifesto (thanks Ruinel ), I understood that both communism and social democracy developed from Marx's view; neither one of them is marxism. The book was actually very interesting to read, but I'm not saying I agree with it. Has anyone else read it? __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

03-25-2004, 12:04 PM	#24
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	I'd rather do that too, but i had to choose a book from a list in school, and the Darwin book had sooooooooooooo many pages!!!!! It would have been interesting, though. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

03-25-2004, 03:49 PM	#26
Beruthiel's cat mystical divinity of Unashamed Felinity Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York's beautiful North Coast -- we're all mad here!!! Posts: 635	After taking the test, I discovered I am in the Libertarian Left with Nelson Mandela, Michael Moore and Al Franken. I'm sure Valandil will be shocked to learn this... (heeheehee) Yep. That's me all right -- er -- left... __________________ "Never try to out-stubborn a cat!" -- R. Heinlein ~~~~~~~~~ "But I don't want to be among mad people, " Alice remarked. "Oh, but you can't help that," said the Cat; "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." ~~ Lewis Carroll ~~~~~~~~~~~ Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana...

03-25-2004, 04:24 PM	#28
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Economic Left/Right: -0.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.03 Hmm, that doesn't sound like me... Yes. Communism: Ultimate disadvantage: As Nurv said, you get Ladas for cars. Ultimate advantage: Would we have the phrase 'take that you commie b******d!! ? __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

03-25-2004, 05:26 PM	#30
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Oh the Greens in Britain are quite nobodies I assure you. But funnier are the natural law party. The policies follow thus: (ish) People are inherantly good. Therefore, reduce police force and trust criminals to be nice. They also believe in levitation. Now, you don't know where, if anywhere, I stopped telling the truth. __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

03-26-2004, 04:56 AM	#31
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I do, you didn't. I was a little bit suspicious of that chart thing, groovy though it is, as I don't think of myself as being THAT left-wing. So, it's interesting to see a range that goes all the way to +5. Ruinel, the Greens are environmentalists: into recycling, decentralisation of power, saving trees, etc. And yes, they get hardly any votes. Though I for one am considering voting for them next time, simply because they're the only party it doesn't make me feel physically sick to vote for. There might be a few similar leftists who will never vote for Bliar again. The Natural Law Party are nothing compared to the Official Monster Raving Loony Party, whose policies include changing the traffic rules so that cars drive on the left and buses on the right.

03-26-2004, 05:28 PM	#35
Katt_knome_hobbit Dead Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: on the floor, under the table, just to your left, your other left Posts: 1,486	On my political scale I got Economic Left/Right: -5.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85 Right there next to the Dali Lama. And I think that the idea that water is good for communism is true. Here in Seattle, WA, we have quite a few bands of communists and socialists. REVOLUTION TIME! __________________ How to Survive the Sillmarillion I thought that Alcohol was just for those with nothing else to do. I thought that drinking just to get drunk was a waste of precious booze. But now I know that there's a time and there's a place where I can choose To walk the fine line between self control and self abuse. "Lacerations make complications, but welts go away in a day."

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