who else?

[Sister Golden Hair]

sorry SGH. My post does have to do with theoden though, so dont close the thread.

Your post is not completely off topic. Talking about Grima, who was the total influence over Theoden and comparing events related to it between book and movie is on topic.

One thing I wonder though about Grima in book and movie: how much power or influence did Saruman have over him? Was it in a way Saruman that was indirectly corrupting Theoden through Grima, or was it just Grima's own abilities?

[hectorberlioz]

Both, I think.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Seems to me that you are still off topic. I only replied to already off topic remarks, that you, for one took there. I admitted I was off topic and I also attempted to get the thread back on topic. I suggest you do the same. Do not reply to my remarks here. If you wish to say anymore to me, I suggest a PM.

Sister Golden Hair wants it both ways. She wants the right to have the last off-topic word AND act like she's the mature, responsible administrator. If she was really interested in no more off topic discussions, she would have noticed my last post to this thread was about Theoden and let the whole stupid thing drop. But she couldn't resist one last off-topic jab at me. If she wants to be taken seriously as a "Queen Administrator", I suggest she find something better to do with her time than posting her research findings on the number of posts I have to the various forums here.

Now that I've gotten Sister Golden Hair's off-topic response out of my system, this little peon poster will return to the topic:

Wormtongue was nothing more than a Saruman lackey. Gandalf made it clear in the books and the movies that Grima was beneath his concern. He was simply a flea he had to brush out of the way. So jerseydevil's notion that Gandalf needed his staff in order to dispense with Wormtongue is highly debateable.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Sister Golden Hair wants it both ways. She wants the right to have the last off-topic word AND act like she's the mature, responsible administrator. If she was really interested in no more off topic discussions, she would have noticed my last post to this thread was about Theoden and let the whole stupid thing drop. But she couldn't resist one last off-topic jab at me. If she wants to be taken seriously as a "Queen Administrator", I suggest she find something better to do with her time than posting her research findings on the number of posts I have to the various forums here.

Now that I've gotten Sister Golden Hair's off-topic response out of my system, this little peon poster will return to the topic:

You just don't learn, do you? I suggest you go to GMs and read Entmoot's rules.

Closing.