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Huan · 01-15-2003, 05:07 PM

I just got through rereading the Golden Hall chapter of TTT and seeing the movie again, and I realized that though I'm not disgusted that they killed Haldir, THEY KILLED HAMA! Now that I remember who he is and what he does and says in the book, I cannot believe they did this! Killed by a damn warg no less!

eowyngirl14 · 01-15-2003, 05:28 PM

I know! It's terrible! The wargs were so cute and the mean men were accualy killing them? CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

Just kidding... scared ya there didn't I?

They took away all of Hama's glory! Darn movie makers!...

Artanis · 01-15-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Huan
I just got through rereading the Golden Hall chapter of TTT and seeing the movie again, and I realized that though I'm not disgusted that they killed Haldir, THEY KILLED HAMA! Now that I remember who he is and what he does and says in the book, I cannot believe they did this! Killed by a damn warg no less!

Hm, would you also care to re-read the chapters about Lorien, and then tell us how you feel?

Huan · 01-16-2003, 01:44 AM

Point taken.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-16-2003, 04:13 AM

I didn't see any in TTT. If I planted an Easter egg, maybe I'd have Frodo wearing red stockings in the Prancing Pony scene, or have berries on a thorn bush in Mordor.

Can someone throw in an actual Easter egg from TTT?

Dunadan · 01-16-2003, 05:16 AM

Hello

I thought that Hama was killed in the book, too. Wasn't there a line that Theoden delivered to Saruman in the Voice of Saruman chapter, recalling how his body was hewed by Saruman's army before the gates of the Burg?

cheers

d

Amandil · 01-16-2003, 08:01 AM

Yes, indeed, Hama was killed (in the book) at Helm's Deep, whilst fighting in front of the gates...

Huan · 01-16-2003, 12:07 PM

But it isn't mentioned in the Helm's Deep chapter itself, is it? I haven't had time to past that point. So he did die. But still, he wasn't killed by a made-up warg!

Dunadan · 01-16-2003, 01:17 PM

Granted.

There is a roll-call of the dead at the start of The Road to Isengard, in which Theoden promises to remember Hama's death when he meets Saruman.

If you haven't read that far, all that is a spoiler for you.

BTW - what do you think of the book, seeing as how you've come to it via the film (rather than the other way round)?

Huan · 01-16-2003, 07:59 PM

No, I've already read the book, but it was in 1998. Long enough for all the details to seem new to me.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-17-2003, 01:17 AM

1988... that's back in the day

Hama did die at Helm's deep, in the book. Maybe he did in the movie too, but it just wasn't focused on his character. (I don't know about his son though. I don't actually think they conscripted people for that battle.)

Huan · 01-17-2003, 01:33 AM

No, nineteen NINETY-eight. And in the movie Hama died on the way to Helm's Deep, killed by the very first warg encountered, the scout. They kind of did conscribe/conscript (?) fighters in the book: at Edoras, Theoden calls for every man who can bear arms to get him some to bear. But there's not this focus on little kiddies with battleaxes. In that regard, I read a really good review of the movie by a professional critic who'd actually read the book, who said that all the sequences dwelling on the women and children were not very Tolkien: he'd have cared more about the horses. I thought that was great.

Dunadan · 01-17-2003, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Huan
who said that all the sequences dwelling on the women and children were not very Tolkien: he'd have cared more about the horses.

LOL! Remind me, in the book, is it Gamling who has his son's son beside him at Helm's Deep?

Huan · 01-17-2003, 02:53 PM

I didn't see anything about son's sons, but I dunno. If anyone would have a son's son, it'd be Gamling the Old. Was he supposed to be anyone in the movie, do you think? Hopefully not the old guy who can't hold his arrow.

samwiselvr2008 · 01-17-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
I think the arrival of the Elves at Helms Deep, and the death of Haldir was a nice twist to the story eventhough it didn't happen that way in the books. It added an exciting element to the scene and it was very moving when he died.

I agree, this sounds weird, but I actually go some tears in my eyes! I just started thinking "they shouldn't die, they should live forever, they are imortal!" and even though that part was not in the books, I still loved it. It reminded me about how nice elves are, ect. It was sweet. But I don't remember who Haldir is, who is he?

**Nurvingiel** · 01-17-2003, 05:25 PM

Argh! 'Nice twist' 'Who is Haldir' *falls on the floor convulsing*. Okay, I will admit that Haldir's death made me cry, as it was very moving.

Answer to who is Haldir:

Haldir is the elf who says "The Dwarf breathes so loudly, we could shoot him in the dark," in both the book and the the movie FotR!

Then, it TTT movie, he greets Aragorn at Helm's Deep when the elves *twitch* join the battle. Haldir, of course, is not in the book TTT.

samwiselvr2008 · 01-17-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Argh! 'Nice twist' 'Who is Haldir' *falls on the floor convulsing*. Okay, I will admit that Haldir's death made me cry, as it was very moving.

Answer to who is Haldir:

Haldir is the elf who says "The Dwarf breathes so loudly, we could shoot him in the dark," in both the book and the the movie FotR!

Then, it TTT movie, he greets Aragorn at Helm's Deep when the elves *twitch* join the battle. Haldir, of course, is not in the book TTT.

I thought that that was who it was, however I didn't want to think that it was him and be rong!

Millane · 01-18-2003, 07:20 AM

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Haldir is the elf who says "The Dwarf breathes so loudly, we could shoot him in the dark," in both the book and the the movie FotR!

ummm no in the book Legolas translates and says to sam "they say you breathe so loudly they could shoot you in the dark" in the movie Haldir says it and gimli should have tought him some respect with his axe...
haldir wasnt such a bad fella in the book was he?
who was it that said that without haldir the Uruks would have won... well i couldnt say anything because i hadnt seen it then but ive seen it a few times now and how many uruks does it show him killing well i dunno probly 1 the one that hurts him before he is killed.
ohhh never mind that Hama was killed in that warg attack how bout his son what a little girl..

***azalea*** · 01-18-2003, 02:59 PM

Why, just because he has long hair and is nervous about fighting in his first battle? I can think of plenty of men that would get nervous in that situation, too!

Lanelf · 01-18-2003, 10:43 PM

I didn't find Haldir's death at all moving! I mean, not even a decent death scene with last words! Just a bit of music and a slow-mo. PJ must DIE!
It did nearly make me cry, too - Haldir was one of my favourite Elves. And he owed me a bagel.
Lanelf.

01-15-2003, 05:28 PM	#82
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01-16-2003, 08:01 AM	#87
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Yes, indeed, Hama was killed (in the book) at Helm's Deep, whilst fighting in front of the gates... __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

01-18-2003, 10:43 PM	#100
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	I didn't find Haldir's death at all moving! I mean, not even a decent death scene with last words! Just a bit of music and a slow-mo. PJ must DIE! It did nearly make me cry, too - Haldir was one of my favourite Elves. And he owed me a bagel. Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

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Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	I just got through rereading the Golden Hall chapter of TTT and seeing the movie again, and I realized that though I'm not disgusted that they killed Haldir, THEY KILLED HAMA! Now that I remember who he is and what he does and says in the book, I cannot believe they did this! Killed by a damn warg no less!

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Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	Point taken.

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Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Hello I thought that Hama was killed in the book, too. Wasn't there a line that Theoden delivered to Saruman in the Voice of Saruman chapter, recalling how his body was hewed by Saruman's army before the gates of the Burg? cheers d

01-16-2003, 12:07 PM	#88
Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	But it isn't mentioned in the Helm's Deep chapter itself, is it? I haven't had time to past that point. So he did die. But still, he wasn't killed by a made-up warg!

01-16-2003, 07:59 PM	#90
Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	No, I've already read the book, but it was in 1998. Long enough for all the details to seem new to me.

01-17-2003, 01:33 AM	#92
Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	No, nineteen NINETY-eight. And in the movie Hama died on the way to Helm's Deep, killed by the very first warg encountered, the scout. They kind of did conscribe/conscript (?) fighters in the book: at Edoras, Theoden calls for every man who can bear arms to get him some to bear. But there's not this focus on little kiddies with battleaxes. In that regard, I read a really good review of the movie by a professional critic who'd actually read the book, who said that all the sequences dwelling on the women and children were not very Tolkien: he'd have cared more about the horses. I thought that was great.

01-17-2003, 02:53 PM	#94
Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	I didn't see anything about son's sons, but I dunno. If anyone would have a son's son, it'd be Gamling the Old. Was he supposed to be anyone in the movie, do you think? Hopefully not the old guy who can't hold his arrow.

01-18-2003, 02:59 PM	#99
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Why, just because he has long hair and is nervous about fighting in his first battle? I can think of plenty of men that would get nervous in that situation, too!