If Jackson made "The Silmarillion the Movie"

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Cassius
At least we can all agree that there was deviation. I for one wanted to see Glorfindel, since he is my favorite elf in the books. Not to mention the Glorfindel in the Silmarillion. I don't think that the ford scene was a good change, I think that it was a good scene. PJ mentioned something about having female characters playing a larger role because Women Activist groups got after him, IF I heard it correctly. That certainly doesn't totally justify the change, it just shows how the world we live in won't allow things to be exactly the same as it was first written. Some group or another will call you racist or sexist and sue.

I agree about Glorfindel.
Arwen in the movies makes me angry, since she wasn't suppose to have that big part, and the big part doesn't seem to effect anything, and it's B-O-R-I-N-G. PJ pushed Glorfindel out for her, and entered her in a scene in TTT, and I don't want to kknow what he did to her in ROTK...

I think Eowyn is enough, and if Tolkien didn't write much about other females (except Shelob of course), you can't stuck characters in the movie. It ruins the movie.

[edit] - about the Sil movie - I would go to see it, only from curiousity though... Also, it'll be harder to make Sil. The book might be smaller, but with much more info and scenes. (which are shorter, obviously)

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
How do you know? Were you there in the editing room? Were you there when they were working on the screen play? :rollyeyes: Unless you were there with Jackson - you have no idea how much thought and care went into destroying Flight to the Ford and so forth.

How do I know? It's something called: R E S E A R C H. Have you heard about it? The people involved in the film have talked about it. Their interviews have appeared in magazines, in newspapers, and on the web. There is also a wealth of information on the making of the films on the DVDs.

Let me predict your response: ALL of it is just hollywood propanganda, right?

[Radagast The Brown]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
How do I know? It's something called: R E S E A R C H. Have you heard about it? The people involved in the film have talked about it. Their interviews have appeared in magazines, in newspapers, and on the web. There is also a wealth of information on the making of the films on the DVDs.

Let me predict your response: ALL of it is just hollywood propanganda, right?

Ahem, ahem...

I believe that even if they thought about every scene for days (months, if you wish), they made some mistakes, and the fact that they thought about it a lot don't make it up to me, at least. If I think they were wrong by adding/removing this and that scene, like in Glorfindel/Arwen, than I don't care how much time they thought about it.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Well, in court it would be called "hearsay."

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I believe that even if they thought about every scene for days (months, if you wish), they made some mistakes, and the fact that they thought about it a lot don't make it up to me, at least. If I think they were wrong by adding/removing this and that scene, like in Glorfindel/Arwen, than I don't care how much time they thought about it.

You can disagree with PJ. I was simply saying that his decision to replace Glorfindel with Arwen was a very complex decision that involved considerable thought. It wasn't simply a director saying, "let's put a good-lookin' babe in this scene."

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
How do I know? It's something called: R E S E A R C H. Have you heard about it? The people involved in the film have talked about it. Their interviews have appeared in magazines, in newspapers, and on the web. There is also a wealth of information on the making of the films on the DVDs.

Let me predict your response: ALL of it is just hollywood propanganda, right?

Yup - it is. My sister WORKED in a PR firm in hollywood. She went to the press party for the Mummy - she knows how hollywood works. And yes - do you really think they would say - "we just wanted to make it an action film"? Of course not - if they came out and told the truth - they wouldn't be able to convince the book fans that their way was the only way. As it stands - jackson does say in the FotR extended edition commentary that he just wanted to create a cool fantasy film and choose Lord of the Rings. There was nothing special in his choice - he said that it had a ready made audience. Sorry - but those are his words.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
You can disagree with PJ. I was simply saying that his decision to replace Glorfindel with Arwen was a very complex decision that involved considerable thought. It wasn't simply a director saying, "let's put a good-lookin' babe in this scene."

No - there was a reason and i agree with them switching Arwen or another character for Glorfindel - I however do not agree with the hack job Jackson made with the Flight to the Ford scene.

I agree 100% with Radagast. And what you are saying - you have no idea how much effort went into their decisions. Just because they say something - doesn't mean it's the truth. Actions speak louder than words and what is on the screen is NOTHING that Jackson mentioned. If you even listen to the commentary - he completely ignores the outrage against the Flight to the Ford scene but mentions how people were outraged about the flood.

[jerseydevil]

Actually it was The Mummy II and it was more than just going to the press party - she was in charge of organizing it. She was in charge of the PR event.

[Cassius]

I still think that there will be a Anime made if anything. It certainly wouldn't be american animation style, cuz then it would suck.

[Keith K]

I think that it would be cool to have the material presented in a documentary format. Sort of like the History Channel. That way it could be a series that could delve into each chapter or issue more deeply than a 3 hr. movie ever could hope to do. (Of course this idea would never fly as there is no way it would make enough money). Just a thought/wish.

[Elvengirl]

Hmm... that might be a better approach, since the Sil tells the history of ME. I might be ok with that.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Elvengirl
Hmm... that might be a better approach, since the Sil tells the history of ME. I might be ok with that.

I agree - that would be cool. Sort of like "Walking with Dinosaurs" or "Walking with Man" or maybe like "Rome: Power and Glory"

[Keith K]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I agree - that would be cool. Sort of like "Walking with Dinosaurs" or "Walking with Man" or maybe like "Rome: Power and Glory"

Exactly.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

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Originally posted by Elvengirl
Hmm... that might be a better approach, since the Sil tells the history of ME. I might be ok with that.
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Yes. It might be the only way to handle the various versions of Galadriel's saga.
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And on a not so serious note:
'IN SEARCH OF GALADRIEL"
(Leonard Nemoy doing the narration?)

[ethuiliel]

The Silmarillion was never meant to be a movie, there are too many sub-plots. It could be made into a series, or smaller parts of it taken out and used seperately. I don't know what I think about either one, but I know that Peter Jackson would definetly change some things if he made any movie, TV series, or anything else of the Silmarillion. It would be interesting to see, but I don't think it would necessarily be good.

[Wayfarer]

In order for the Silmarillion to be made into a film, it would first have to be a consistant narrative, which it isn't because the author died before it was finished and what was published wsa just sort of stuck together with string and glue.

[Earniel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
I agree - that would be cool. Sort of like "Walking with Dinosaurs" or "Walking with Man" or maybe like "Rome: Power and Glory"

Now there's an interesting idea. I love the 'walking with....' format. It would make it easier to deal with the different stories.

[Thorin II]

The Silmarillion wouldn't be a movie; it would be a series of movies. The book is shorter than LOTR, but the story covers more ground. I would love to see it done, but I really doubt it will ever happen. The Hobbit is much more realistic.

[Sween]

I would like to see a director who is not so bounded by the theory of realism take on the silmarillion. I think the last two movies lost a lot of the realism as they delt with the worlds of men. I think the hardest aspect of bring the sil to life would be showing just how powerful the elves were and doing things at a much larger scale but still toliken was a genious who came up with so many things i would love to see put into film and i do think that it could be done but it would take about 9 movies to do it but i mean if i had the skills i would love to bring them to the whole world.

The Sil should be made but probably not by Jackson

[Thorin II]

I'm not sure PJ is really "bound" by realism; it was more of a choice for how he wanted the film to look. He wanted it to feel more like historical fiction. Frankly, I think it was one of the better decisions he made on the film.

If he did make the The Silmarillion (which I seriously doubt), I don't think he would necessarily try to do it the same way.