Why Galadriel's gift to Boromir - a belt? - Page 3

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-22-2005, 03:57 PM

of course galadriel was evil! she was of the noldor, and we all know the only noldorin elf who was not evil was turgon the magnificent, turgon the splendiferous

Olmer · 05-22-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gordis

Well, you despise Galadriel more than I do! Than IF you are right, she would hardly think of Sam more than "of a worm in the mud". Would she really bother to mock him?

No, I did not despise her.
She was the most powerful person on Middle Earth at that time. In the Third age she manage to do a thing which even Lord Fingolfin was not able to do - she reunited the Elves of Middle- earth, and since that time a political direction of the elves was cardinally changed.
She was very farseeing politician, charming intrigant, and cold and calculating person , who with a strong hand was reshaping political picture of Middle-earth into more favorable for the Elves.
Her unique combination of power, brains and beauty amazes me, but I don't like her and have no sympathy to her sorrows for what she has done in the Middle-earth .

Gordis · 05-22-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

of course galadriel was evil! she was of the noldor, and we all know the only noldorin elf who was not evil was turgon the magnificent, turgon the splendiferous

Why Turgon? Finrod was the only decent one, IMHO.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-22-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gordis

Why Turgon? Finrod was the only decent one, IMHO.

finrod the caveman? finrod the simpleton? finrod the fool?
turgon is supreme divinity on arda

Gordis · 05-22-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

turgon is supreme divinity on arda

Mmm... Was he a communist deep in his heart then?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 05-23-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

of course galadriel was evil! she was of the noldor, and we all know the only noldorin elf who was not evil was turgon the magnificent, turgon the splendiferous

You forget his father. Fingolfin the Great

Morelen · 05-26-2005, 06:21 PM

This is probably a stupid theory but I've always thought that maybe Galadriel put some magic-yness into the belts (like protection or whatever, kinda like in the cloaks) and gave them to Merry and Pippen because they were small and everyone else was busy protecting Frodo, and to Boromir because maybe she could tell that he was walking on the edge of death (as it were) and was trying to protect him with the elvishness. Eh?

mithrand1r · 05-27-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Morelen

This is probably a stupid theory but I've always thought that maybe Galadriel put some magic-yness into the belts (like protection or whatever, kinda like in the cloaks) and gave them to Merry and Pippen because they were small and everyone else was busy protecting Frodo, and to Boromir because maybe she could tell that he was walking on the edge of death (as it were) and was trying to protect him with the elvishness. Eh?

Possible. (although I think Faramir should get a refund for Boromir's belt

)

Do you have any documentation to support your theory?

Morelen · 05-27-2005, 11:00 PM

um...*scuttles around collecting all her books* well...no, not really.

Gordis · 05-28-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Morelen

This is probably a stupid theory but I've always thought that maybe Galadriel put some magic-yness into the belts (like protection or whatever, kinda like in the cloaks) and gave them to Merry and Pippen because they were small and everyone else was busy protecting Frodo, and to Boromir because maybe she could tell that he was walking on the edge of death (as it were) and was trying to protect him with the elvishness. Eh?

You are probably right. There definitely was some magic in all other Galadriel's presents. Glad to have you here, Morelen. Hang around!

me9996 · 12-17-2005, 11:39 PM

It just hit me!!! You know how it's a gold belt? And how heavy gold is? She gave it to him so he couldn't catch Frodo!

The Wizard from Milan · 12-18-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Olmer

What would [Galadriel] do if would has been in close proximity to the Ring for such long time, when she almost grabbed it at the first sight!

My impression was that Galadriel was tempted at first sight, but that after overcoming her first temptation should would not be tempted again

Jon S. · 12-18-2005, 10:46 PM

Perhaps there more to the "belt" than meets our eyes.

Belts feature prominently in various mythologies.

For example, consider Hercules' ninth labor, capturing the belt worn by the queen of the Amazon women. When he arrived at the mouth of the Thermodon river, he anchored his ship and was visited by Hippolyte herself. She was apparently sufficiently enamored of him to give him her belt as a token of her affection.

Also consider Thor. He got three gifts from the dwarfs, his magic hammer, a pair of magic gloves to protect Thor's hands from the hammer, and a belt which doubled his already impressive strength when he wore it.

In Greek mythology, in discussing the chariot of Artemis, Callimachus was to have said, "In golden armor and belt, you yoked a golden chariot, bridled deer in gold."

In Roman mythology, it is said, Turnus killed the young prince Pallas who had rashly challenged him to single combat and wore his belt as a trophy.

Finally, in modern day America, you are said to really excell at something when you have it "under your belt."

Tolkien was a student of mythology so be open to the possibility that at least his own intent, in having Galadrial give Boromir a belt, was truly to honor him.

Curubethion · 12-18-2005, 11:10 PM

Wow-good points!

durinsbane2244 · 12-18-2005, 11:12 PM

two thumbs up! [puts two thumbs up]

King of The Istari · 01-02-2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

of course galadriel was evil! she was of the noldor, and we all know the only noldorin elf who was not evil was turgon the magnificent, turgon the splendiferous

I don't believe Galadriel or Boromir were evil in they're lust for the ring:

Boromir: he wanted the ring's power to protect his country and his people, it is not until the end is it that the ring shows him the power HE could have, but he then saw that this was wrong and redeemed himself for his wrongdoing in the only way he knew how, in combat.

Galadriel I always see as a lot like Saruman, they both hae had a secret lust for the power to rival Souron, saruman's turns from the want to destroy Souron to looking on him as his equall and trying to best him in power. But Galadriel knows exactly what will happen to her if she possesses this ring and the consequences of owning it but I believe her being the highest of elves did slightly envy Souron's power but her knowing of what would happen to her and to middle earth stopped her from taking it

these people shouldn't be looked at as evil for lusting after the ring's power but looked on as good for renouncing that power!

05-26-2005, 06:21 PM	#47
Morelen Hobbit Join Date: May 2005 Location: In your head Posts: 21	This is probably a stupid theory but I've always thought that maybe Galadriel put some magic-yness into the belts (like protection or whatever, kinda like in the cloaks) and gave them to Merry and Pippen because they were small and everyone else was busy protecting Frodo, and to Boromir because maybe she could tell that he was walking on the edge of death (as it were) and was trying to protect him with the elvishness. Eh? __________________ My LiveJournal The Tolkien Forum ~~~~~ Evil Overlord Tip #24: I will maintain a realistic assessment of my strengths and weaknesses. Even though it takes some of the fun out of the job, I will never utter the line "No, this cannot be! I AM INVINCIBLE!!!" (After that, death is usually instantaneous.)

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Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	of course galadriel was evil! she was of the noldor, and we all know the only noldorin elf who was not evil was turgon the magnificent, turgon the splendiferous

12-18-2005, 10:46 PM	#53
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	Perhaps there more to the "belt" than meets our eyes. Belts feature prominently in various mythologies. For example, consider Hercules' ninth labor, capturing the belt worn by the queen of the Amazon women. When he arrived at the mouth of the Thermodon river, he anchored his ship and was visited by Hippolyte herself. She was apparently sufficiently enamored of him to give him her belt as a token of her affection. Also consider Thor. He got three gifts from the dwarfs, his magic hammer, a pair of magic gloves to protect Thor's hands from the hammer, and a belt which doubled his already impressive strength when he wore it. In Greek mythology, in discussing the chariot of Artemis, Callimachus was to have said, "In golden armor and belt, you yoked a golden chariot, bridled deer in gold." In Roman mythology, it is said, Turnus killed the young prince Pallas who had rashly challenged him to single combat and wore his belt as a trophy. Finally, in modern day America, you are said to really excell at something when you have it "under your belt." Tolkien was a student of mythology so be open to the possibility that at least his own intent, in having Galadrial give Boromir a belt, was truly to honor him.