Why Everyone Hates Communists

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Nothing wrong with that really. The oil industry is just like any industry and if you can find a president that doesn't have ties to some industry - that would be quite amazing.

I'd prefer that my president be for the people that voted him in, not just a few that gave him money for his campaign. Oh, wait... its the money that bought him his presidency... what am I thinking.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Ruinel
I'd prefer that my president be for the people that voted him in, not just a few that gave him money for his campaign. Oh, wait... its the money that bought him his presidency... what am I thinking.

Money didn't get him his presidency. If money was all it took - then Steve Forbes would have been president. It's really hard to believe what a blind rage democrats are in with Bush being president.

Also - if you think that the democracts don't vote to support their contributers - you have your head stuck in the sand. There is noting different from Bush supporting the oil industry, than another president bowing down to the teachers unions. All unions are are big business in the disguise of helping employees.

[Ruinel]

spammer!

[The Gaffer]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Is that like the Silly Party? Whose the Sensible Party then?

That would be the Unofficial Monster Raving Loony Party.

Would Steve Forbes WANT to be president? Isn't he too busy being rich and successful? It strikes me that Bush jr got into the game only because we was pretty crap at actually making money.

[Janny]

Who cares about politics, corruption, money and oil? The important thing is that the Official Monster Raving Loony Party is led by a cat. Can the unofficial party say that? Huh? Can it?

[Katt_knome_hobbit]

What do you have to do to make your own political party?

Can't focus on politics, listening to parodys.

Are the Borg a dictatorship or a pure democracy or a pure communist community?

[Insidious Rex]

they are a hive. A multiple celled single organism.

[Ruinel]

IR is correct. The Borg is a hive community, that is connected as one organism. I would not say that they are a communist society, and they are far from democratic.

[Janny]

The Borg community?

What happened to the angry communist mooters making there stand? Surely we can't be that sane as to have no red mooters?

[The Gaffer]

I always wondered why more christians weren't communists. All that stuff about a camel through the eye of the needle, and throwing the moneychangers out of the temple etc.

[Janny]

Well firstly Communism outlaws religion because it is opposition to the state. But yes, the first suggestion AFAIK came in Thomas Moore's 'Utopia'. I think heaven is supposed to be quite a communist place, but down here sensible religious people settle for equal rights and a governmental form which doesn't ban their practices.

[Katt_knome_hobbit]

Ok, so the Borg are an organism.

I could be a communist if communism WORKED!

Communism COULD work, IF HUMANS WERN'T SO ****ING GREEDY BASTARDS!

I'm just angry at the human race for not letting communism work.

The point of communism is to think of everyone instead of just yourself, and most people haven't evolved to that stage where you can ignore your instincts. AND they drag the rest of us down.

Sorry. Bit of a rant/vent there. It should go on the venting thread.

[Insidious Rex]

Well said. we are not evolutionarily suited to socialist life styles unfortunately. So we have to settle for the next best thing which is survival of the fitist capitalism with a little altruism thrown in. That pretty much defines our species since the beginning anyway.

[Janny]

And there's the red backlash! As I said, yup, just wait for heaven for your utopian society...

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Well said. we are not evolutionarily suited to socialist life styles unfortunately. So we have to settle for the next best thing which is survival of the fitist capitalism with a little altruism thrown in. That pretty much defines our species since the beginning anyway.

Well, that depends on which social theory you subscribe to really, doesn't it? Since some postulate that there is evidence of some sort of mutual group mentality that basically means look out for each other so the group will be able to survive better.

[Ruinel]

That's very true, BoP. Humans are social animals, they generally live in groups, so to speak. Not many actually live as an individual by themselves. That froup may be large or small, depending on what is necessary for the individual to succeed.

Looking at it from an individual's viewpoint, he/she has an increased rate of survival by adding him/herself to the group. An individual, in this day and age, can not know all things and do all things. He/she may be a doctor, but not know how to grow his/her own food. Another individual may know how to grow food, but not know medicine.

Looking at it from a group's point of view, as the skills of the members of the group become more diverse, the individuals add their skills to the group to promote the success of the group and thus the individuals are able to survive and succeed, ensuring the genes of these individuals are passed on to a new generation.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Well, that depends on which social theory you subscribe to really, doesn't it? Since some postulate that there is evidence of some sort of mutual group mentality that basically means look out for each other so the group will be able to survive better.

Thats taken into account in the capitilist/altruist model. Of course look out for each other because you never know when youll need someone else to look out for you (welfare, medicare, military, government programs, health care systems, etc.) BUT when you can do much better by being selfish then do that. That seems to be the social/political model most utilized by the human species. The communisit model is ideal but it tends to break down into corruption because of our evolutionary preclivities.

[Khamûl]

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[crickhollow]

Originally posted by The Gaffer
I always wondered why more christians weren't communists. All that stuff about a camel through the eye of the needle, and throwing the moneychangers out of the temple etc.

Well, living in community is actually a biblical concept:

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."

taken from Acts Chapter 4. But Janny has also pointed out that Marxist Communism is something quite different. The Christian communities that Acts talks about were entered into voluntarily...no one was required to join, and there was no violent political revolution.

[Janny]

Communism also kind of goes against Islam too. The role of man and wife are prescribed in terms of a 'capitalist' society.

I don't think you have to do much to form a political party, Katt. Maybe just have plenty of deposits to lose...