Christopher Lee...MAD!!! - Page 2

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Well that's what I originally thought - but then it seems as if what people are saying - is that he might have cut this out.

I should have said...

"I'm really disappointed IF they have cut this out."

Yeah I've been wondering as well how they will do it if the Saruman scenes are cut. Is it certain that Saruman is cut?

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-20-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Dunedain
Yeah I've been wondering as well how they will do it if the Saruman scenes are cut. Is it certain that Saruman is cut?
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Yes. Without the Saruman/Gandalf confrontation how do they get the Palantir and Merry and Pippin with Gandalf? Do they just pop up unexplained?

Also, i thought the best reason for having Christopher lee as Saruman is for his doing the Voice of Saruman at Orthanc. That could have been really interesting.

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 01:45 PM

Ok I just read something interesting that will hopefully clear it up a bit

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From TheOneRing.net:

Most of the outcomes of the confrontation at Isengard are plot trivialities with no great plot implications - except the Palantir. We've seen images of Aragorn holding it, and the implication is that Pippin does use it at Meduseld. I'll be keen to see how effectively Walsh, Boyens and Jackson rework that.

Melko Belcha · 11-20-2003, 01:53 PM

There is a pentition out trying to get the scenes put back in. It probably won't do any good, but here's a link.

http://www.christopherleeweb.com/

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 01:55 PM

Is it certain Lee's scenes were cut? ........ Yes .......
see here:

http://www.nbc10.com/entertainment/2642152/detail.html

Also I found this interesting

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2729778a11,00.html

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Melko Belcha
There is a pentition out trying to get the scenes put back in. It probably won't do any good, but here's a link.

http://www.christopherleeweb.com/

I just signed it

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Katherine
Is it certain Lee's scenes were cut? ........ Yes .......
see here:

http://www.nbc10.com/entertainment/2642152/detail.html

Also I found this interesting

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2729778a11,00.html

I signed and this was my statement...

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I think it's outrageous that the scenes were cut but I'm not at all surprised. Jackson is a hack who created dumbed down hollywoodized action movies. After what he did to Flight to the Ford and the creation of Xena-Elf aka Arwen - I don't understand why people are surprised. You can read how I feel about Jackson and his movies at http://www.entmoot.com as JerseyDevil.

mithrand1r · 11-20-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
I signed and this was my statement...

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
I think it's outrageous that the scenes were cut but I'm not at all surprised. Jackson is a hack who created dumbed down hollywoodized action movies. After what he did to Flight to the Ford and the creation of Xena-Elf aka Arwen - I don't understand why people are surprised. You can read how I feel about Jackson and his movies at http://www.entmoot.com as JerseyDevil.

Good for you JD. Hopefully someone may visit the sight and get a full range of opinions regarding LOTR and the Movies.

I doubt anything will result from signing the petition on the web, but you never know for certain.

I have heard that someone went to the trouble of cutting/pasting PJ's movies to make it closer to the book. I have know Idea how that went. (I do not have high hopes for that doing well. {not even thinking about the copyright issues})

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by mithrand1r
Good for you JD. Hopefully someone may visit the sight and get a full range of opinions regarding LOTR and the Movies.

I felt it was important for people to see that not everyone loves the movies and that they should come to Entmoot if they want to hear other people's opinions.

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I doubt anything will result from signing the petition on the web, but you never know for certain.

i doubt it too - anyway - it's too late to get it into the theatrical version - the movie is being mass produced right now for the theaters - if it hasn't already.

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I have heard that someone went to the trouble of cutting/pasting PJ's movies to make it closer to the book. I have know Idea how that went. (I do not have high hopes for that doing well. {not even thinking about the copyright issues})

I wouldn't think it would be very good. First a lot my problems have to do with serious departures from the book. There is no amount of cutting and pasting that will fix the Fligth to the Ford scene or make Pippin and Merry not moronic idiots.

Black Breathalizer · 11-20-2003, 02:40 PM

I think it is ridiculous to be signing petitions and creating an uproar about a movie that hasn't even been SEEN yet.

If you watch the movie and dislike it, THEN you can complain about this particular cut (even though we've already been told it will be in the EE). Until you see the movie, this is just another excuse to be negative here.

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I think it is ridiculous to be signing petitions and creating an uproar about a movie that hasn't even been SEEN yet.

If you watch the movie and dislike it, THEN you can complain about this particular cut (even though we've already been told it will be in the EE). Until you see the movie, this is just another excuse to be negative here.

No it's not - not if they are REMOVING a scene. And we know they are. So it's not ridiculous. And if you do feel that way - then just don't sign it.

Melko Belcha · 11-20-2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I think it is ridiculous to be signing petitions and creating an uproar about a movie that hasn't even been SEEN yet.

If you watch the movie and dislike it, THEN you can complain about this particular cut (even though we've already been told it will be in the EE). Until you see the movie, this is just another excuse to be negative here.

It is not ridiculous to complain when they are removing a MAJOR scene. The scene between Gandalf and Saruman is as important to me as the Ring being destroyed. The Voice of Saruman is a key moment in the book, and has much to do with the story. But I guess seven minutes is just to much time for PJ to give up any of his additions, which will probably take up no less then 30 minutes of the film. And don't act like there won't be additions, because there will be, and every minute wasted with additions are minutes that could be used for the Saruman scene.

And remember that not everybody watches the EE, is Saruman's part of the story just not going to be finished for those people? I know more people that have not seen, or care to see, the EE of FotR then have seen it. There are alot of people that the theater version of the films is all they know, so should these people not see what happens to Saruman just because they don't watch the EE?

Black Breathalizer · 11-20-2003, 02:58 PM

Jerseydevil, I'm confused as to why you are so upset by the removal of the Saruman scene from the theatrical release.

You are on record as hating the film series soooooo...

Why do you care?

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Jerseydevil, I'm confused as to why you are so upset by the removal of the Saruman scene from the theatrical release.

You are on record as hating the film series soooooo...

Why do you care?

Becuase I WANTED the films to be good and this is just another example of Jackson screwing with stuff just to make the movies more action oriented. I'm sure the wars and battles will be great.

Also - as a tolkien fan - it is my RIGHT to complain about things I don't like. And I don't HATE the film series - I have given it a C as movies go. Of course an adaptation to Tolkien I give it an F.

Also - if Saruman doesn't appear in this movie. What the hell happens to him? Does he just disappear into nothing? It seems like Saruman is completely cut out of this movie with no explanation as to what happens to Saruman.

Black Breathalizer · 11-20-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Melko Belcha
It is not ridiculous to complain when they are removing a MAJOR scene.

It is certainly NOT a major scene. It's only significance to the film version of the story would be because of the appearance of the palantir. It is clear from all we've heard that the palantir is still in the film so waiting for the EE release of ROTK is not that big of deal.

When Jackson haters like jerseydevil are up in arms about it, you know this is simply just another excuse to bash the films and the filmmakers.

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
When Jackson haters like jerseydevil are up in arms about it, you know this is simply just another excuse to bash the films and the filmmakers.

Oh - of course - because my opinions don't have any merit - unlike yours.

What - [Flame Deleted]?

BeardofPants · 11-20-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I think it is ridiculous to be signing petitions and creating an uproar about a movie that hasn't even been SEEN yet.

How so? All our complaining here about Arwen appearing at Helms Deep meant that they rethought their approach, and found something more "real". I would have thought you'd have been all for that.

Melko Belcha · 11-20-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
It is clear from all we've heard that the palantir is still in the film so waiting for the EE release of ROTK is not that big of deal.

And what about all the people who will not see the EE? Do those people not matter? Don't assume that every one will watch the EE, because they won't.

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
It is certainly NOT a major scene. It's only significance to the film version of the story would be because of the appearance of the palantir. It is clear from all we've heard that the palantir is still in the film so waiting for the EE release of ROTK is not that big of deal.

It is a major scene man, it's a very pivotal moment in the quest because it sets a lot of stuff up that happen later on...

Black Breathalizer · 11-20-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
How so? All our complaining here about Arwen appearing at Helms Deep meant that they rethought their approach, and found something more "real". I would have thought you'd have been all for that.

We are talking here about whether the same seven minutes of film showing the end of Saruman are first shown in the theatrical release or the extended DVD version next fall. Period.

11-20-2003, 01:40 PM	#22
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Originally posted by Dunedain Yeah I've been wondering as well how they will do it if the Saruman scenes are cut. Is it certain that Saruman is cut? _________________________________________- Yes. Without the Saruman/Gandalf confrontation how do they get the Palantir and Merry and Pippin with Gandalf? Do they just pop up unexplained? Also, i thought the best reason for having Christopher lee as Saruman is for his doing the Voice of Saruman at Orthanc. That could have been really interesting. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

11-20-2003, 01:53 PM	#24
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	There is a pentition out trying to get the scenes put back in. It probably won't do any good, but here's a link. http://www.christopherleeweb.com/ __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5) Last edited by Melko Belcha : 11-20-2003 at 01:57 PM.

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11-20-2003, 01:55 PM	#25
Katherine Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 8	Is it certain Lee's scenes were cut? ........ Yes ....... see here: http://www.nbc10.com/entertainment/2642152/detail.html Also I found this interesting http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2729778a11,00.html

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Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	I think it is ridiculous to be signing petitions and creating an uproar about a movie that hasn't even been SEEN yet. If you watch the movie and dislike it, THEN you can complain about this particular cut (even though we've already been told it will be in the EE). Until you see the movie, this is just another excuse to be negative here.

11-20-2003, 02:58 PM	#33
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Jerseydevil, I'm confused as to why you are so upset by the removal of the Saruman scene from the theatrical release. You are on record as hating the film series soooooo... Why do you care?