Opinions for what book(s) to get next... - Page 2

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-13-2003, 10:59 PM

Have I told you lately... that you should read Morgoth's Ring nomatter what HoMe books you read or don't read?

Keith K · 11-13-2003, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
I think I am gonna get that Map book

Keith K always gives good advice! (well, er, ok...mostly gives good advice)

Elf Girl · 11-14-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Have I told you lately... that you should read Morgoth's Ring nomatter what HoMe books you read or don't read?

I agree. Morgoth's Ring is awesome. Especially LACE.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-14-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
I agree. Morgoth's Ring is awesome. Especially LACE.

Especially the Athrabeth.

Beor · 11-14-2003, 01:51 PM

Well, I havent read through the BOLT 2 yet, but I'd say read BOLT 1, and head through the HOME first (or the books youve got again), just because its going good for me that way

Falagar · 11-14-2003, 02:14 PM

BoLT 2! Will only say: The fall of Gondolin.

Dúnedain · 11-14-2003, 03:22 PM

Question about one of the book's from HoME that was mentioned. "Morgoth's Ring", did I miss something here? Why is it called Morgoth's Ring? Is there another ring that was out there or are they somehow interluding that Sauron's Ring was in a technical sense Morgoth's Ring because Sauron was his Minion...

***Valandil*** · 11-14-2003, 03:25 PM

Maybe they're all gonna make us read the book...

Melko Belcha · 11-14-2003, 03:26 PM

Morgoth's Ring is Arda. His evil was put into it at creation. I don't remember all the details, but it is explained in the book, but it comes down to is his Ring is Arda.

Falagar · 11-14-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
Question about one of the book's from HoME that was mentioned. "Morgoth's Ring", did I miss something here? Why is it called Morgoth's Ring? Is there another ring that was out there or are they somehow interluding that Sauron's Ring was in a technical sense Morgoth's Ring because Sauron was his Minion...

It refers (as far as I know) to the powers Morgoth put into the earth (a kind of "Morgoth-element", that marres all things), but can't remember exactly what the ring refers to, have to check the book.

Keith K · 11-14-2003, 04:42 PM

It is called his "ring" because he put the great part of his innate strength into it just as Sauron put his innate strength into the One Ring.

Attalus · 11-14-2003, 07:56 PM

Yep, it says that "Arda is Morgoth's Ring."

***Valandil*** · 11-14-2003, 10:20 PM

So now we don't gotta read it?

Artanis · 11-15-2003, 05:25 AM

The most beloved parts of Morgoth's Ring is the Athrabeth, the Laws & Customs of the Eldar, and Myths transformed. That's why you have to read it.

Artanis · 11-15-2003, 05:34 AM

BTW, I started my HoME readings with the pieces I just mentioned, and then read The Shibboleth in HoME 12, and then HoME 3: The Lays of Beleriand, and continued to read the books in more or less arbitrary order, and just recently BolT 1 and 2. I regret it! I should have started with BoLT first, the old mythology. It is not only very beautifully written, but it is very interesting to see the development of the mythology.

***Fat middle*** · 11-15-2003, 08:00 AM

I think you should reconsider your decission. Letters would be my advice. It's a book that not only gives you information about the works but also about the author and the meaning of the books.

Besides, it's easier to be read than the HOME series.

Beor · 11-15-2003, 11:52 AM

THE BoLT is really good, it is really amazing to see such great work take form, adn I definitely recomend it (even though I am still plunging through it), as both a great book, and a learning experience, if you feel like writing something yourself one day.

Elf Girl · 11-15-2003, 06:16 PM

I would say, read HoME from first to last if you care how it was created. I, frankly, don't, and care only about ME as it was when he wrote LotR. So I read whatever interests me.

Dúnedain · 11-17-2003, 08:27 PM

Another question.

Do any books in the HoME series discuss the other wars going on during the War of the Ring, such as those in Mirkwood and in the North with King Dain and King Brand?

I noticed that one of the HoME books is title The War of the Ring, but I am not sure if that stuff is included in it...

If this isn't included in any HoME series books, anyone know where it is recorded, besides the very little in the LotR Appendices...

Attalus · 11-17-2003, 09:02 PM

Hmm, The War of the Ring and Sauron Defeated both touch on those matters, as does "The Hunt for the Ring" in Unfinished Tales. Nowhere do I remember a comprhensive account.

11-13-2003, 10:59 PM	#21
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Have I told you lately... that you should read Morgoth's Ring nomatter what HoMe books you read or don't read? __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

11-14-2003, 01:51 PM	#25
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	Well, I havent read through the BOLT 2 yet, but I'd say read BOLT 1, and head through the HOME first (or the books youve got again), just because its going good for me that way __________________ Well, there it is. Last edited by Beor : 11-14-2003 at 01:52 PM.

11-14-2003, 02:14 PM	#26
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	BoLT 2! Will only say: The fall of Gondolin. __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

11-14-2003, 03:22 PM	#27
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Question about one of the book's from HoME that was mentioned. "Morgoth's Ring", did I miss something here? Why is it called Morgoth's Ring? Is there another ring that was out there or are they somehow interluding that Sauron's Ring was in a technical sense Morgoth's Ring because Sauron was his Minion... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

11-14-2003, 03:26 PM	#29
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	Morgoth's Ring is Arda. His evil was put into it at creation. I don't remember all the details, but it is explained in the book, but it comes down to is his Ring is Arda. __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

11-14-2003, 03:25 PM	#28
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Maybe they're all gonna make us read the book...

11-14-2003, 04:42 PM	#31
Keith K Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: charlotte, n.c. Posts: 1,081	It is called his "ring" because he put the great part of his innate strength into it just as Sauron put his innate strength into the One Ring.

11-14-2003, 07:56 PM	#32
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Yep, it says that "Arda is Morgoth's Ring." __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

11-14-2003, 10:20 PM	#33
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	So now we don't gotta read it?

11-15-2003, 05:25 AM	#34
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	The most beloved parts of Morgoth's Ring is the Athrabeth, the Laws & Customs of the Eldar, and Myths transformed. That's why you have to read it. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

11-15-2003, 05:34 AM	#35
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	BTW, I started my HoME readings with the pieces I just mentioned, and then read The Shibboleth in HoME 12, and then HoME 3: The Lays of Beleriand, and continued to read the books in more or less arbitrary order, and just recently BolT 1 and 2. I regret it! I should have started with BoLT first, the old mythology. It is not only very beautifully written, but it is very interesting to see the development of the mythology. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

11-15-2003, 08:00 AM	#36
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	I think you should reconsider your decission. Letters would be my advice. It's a book that not only gives you information about the works but also about the author and the meaning of the books. Besides, it's easier to be read than the HOME series. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

11-15-2003, 11:52 AM	#37
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	THE BoLT is really good, it is really amazing to see such great work take form, adn I definitely recomend it (even though I am still plunging through it), as both a great book, and a learning experience, if you feel like writing something yourself one day. __________________ Well, there it is.

11-15-2003, 06:16 PM	#38
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I would say, read HoME from first to last if you care how it was created. I, frankly, don't, and care only about ME as it was when he wrote LotR. So I read whatever interests me. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

11-17-2003, 08:27 PM	#39
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Another question. Do any books in the HoME series discuss the other wars going on during the War of the Ring, such as those in Mirkwood and in the North with King Dain and King Brand? I noticed that one of the HoME books is title The War of the Ring, but I am not sure if that stuff is included in it... If this isn't included in any HoME series books, anyone know where it is recorded, besides the very little in the LotR Appendices... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

11-17-2003, 09:02 PM	#40
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Hmm, The War of the Ring and Sauron Defeated both touch on those matters, as does "The Hunt for the Ring" in Unfinished Tales. Nowhere do I remember a comprhensive account. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

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