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Turambar1982 · 11-12-2003, 01:33 PM

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Ok people, let me ask you one question. Has the movie been released and I just haven't known about it? Exactly, it hasn't, so stop jumping to conclusions until you see it with your eyes...

I have to agree with dunedain there. lets first watch the movie and then decide if pj messed up or not.

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Originally posted by zinnite
This one (about the Evenstar) seems pretty pointless and ridiculous. Is an embodied Sauron (riding on a warg) going to rip it off Aragorn's neck and say "Ha! That's for your ancestor cutting off my fingers and stealing my Ring!"? Or will Jackson have Pippin accidentally break it? Who knows, though I shudder to think...

Wait and see how it happens. maybe it has a good explanation, although it really seems pointless.

LuthienTinuviel · 11-13-2003, 12:46 AM

well, my source was a book from newline baout the upcoming movie, so i'd say it was pretty dern reliable.

haha, JD i completly agree with you on something!

amazing.

it's not really the fact the the evenstar breaks, it's the quote from around that statement.
i haven't go thte book, so here's the gist.
"the power of the evenstar is broken, and all thoughout middle earth the effect is felt..." or something..
uh oh, more story line changes.

i know im going to love this movie, it's my favourite book out of the three, and im sure it will be done well.. but now, instead of obsessively excited, im more cautiously excited...

Rosie Gamgee · 11-13-2003, 03:07 PM

Well, the Grey Havens are definately gonna be there, cuz I've read too much saying or hinting that they are. And we already knew that Scouring wasn't gonna be in it.
If I had a stress ball I would have already shredded it. The last book has so many exciting, tender, hopeless, and hope-filled parts that I hope PJ doesn't butcher them just to make the Battle of Pellanor Fields the all-important element.

Elf Girl · 11-13-2003, 03:42 PM

Except with Saruman gone it /is/ the all-important element.

Did you see /any/ Saruman in the companion, LuthienTinuviel?

*is desperatly trying to prove that Saruman will be in the movie*

You know, I'm glad he's cutting all that stuff! He can't steal my imangination of those from me just because I want to be in the debates!

Lizra · 11-13-2003, 03:55 PM

Yeah, I'll still expect to see then there. Hopefully the leak is looney. Whatever!

hectorberlioz · 11-13-2003, 06:40 PM

I just read a little piece in USA today that said Christopher Lee bieng extremely upset about his not bieng in rotk.
then it had a little quote by jackson that read
"its a fun little piece, but i feel its continueing the two towers instead of starting return of the king"
ummm, it should be like that...jackson. lotr is supposed to be one book....

Sheeana · 11-13-2003, 09:21 PM

Oh well, so much for the Saruman dying on a spikey wheel thing.

Black Breathalizer · 11-13-2003, 11:38 PM

You guys just have to wait a little longer. It will all be in the ROTK extended edition.

jerseydevil · 11-13-2003, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
You guys just have to wait a little longer. It will all be in the ROTK extended edition.

Why does it have to be in the extended edition? If it's an important enough part to have in the movie -then it should be in the movie. The extended edition is just scenes they decided to cut and have pasted back into an extended edition to make more money.

Sheeana · 11-13-2003, 11:52 PM

Jersey Devil, meet Brickwall, Brickwall, meet Jersey Devil...

hectorberlioz · 11-14-2003, 12:17 AM

I'm surprised Christopher Tolkien hasnt complained about PJ's changing so much.
I guess it was a lot of money.........

hectorberlioz · 11-15-2003, 01:13 AM

here.

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"Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min 'wrap' after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save it for the beginning of the Return of the King," says Jackson. "The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off."

My Commentary: we dont care. we want saruman in!

LuthienTinuviel · 11-16-2003, 03:03 PM

oi, oi , oi..

mixed feelings settting in...

hopelessness ensueing..

....it's growing dark...

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-16-2003, 04:52 PM

Hector: Actually, I think it's Tolkien Enterprises (a company that bought the rights) that gets the money, not the Tolkien Estate. As for Christopher Tolkien, he has remained absolutely silent about it, I believe.

Falagar · 11-16-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I'm surprised Christopher Tolkien hasnt complained about PJ's changing so much.
I guess it was a lot of money.........

He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.

jerseydevil · 11-16-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.

That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.

zinnite · 11-16-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.

I came across a BBC artcle a while back about the issue, and it turns out it is a rumor. However, he (Christopher) only said the rumors weren't true (about his son, public remarks regarding the films); he didn't say one way or the other how he himself felt about the films. I'll try to find the article and link to it here, if the link is still working (I read it many months ago, and it was quite old when I found it).

My guess is, though, he won't be rushing out to the video store on Tuesday or standing in line for tickets in December

hectorberlioz · 11-17-2003, 12:52 AM

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Hector: Actually, I think it's Tolkien Enterprises (a company that bought the rights) that gets the money, not the Tolkien Estate. As for Christopher Tolkien, he has remained absolutely silent about it, I believe.

oh, i see.

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He doesn't like the films (had a fight with his son over it, if the rumours are true), but he can't do anything about it. The movie-rights were never his, all he can do is sit and watch.

oh, i see more to the puzzle...

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That's what I had heard too. That Christopher hated Jackson doing the movies. I don't necessarily think he is completely against the books being made into a movie - but I think he was against the type of movie that Jackson made.

interesting...

Curufinwe · 11-18-2003, 01:02 PM

From the BBC dated Friday, 7 December, 2001

"My own position is that The Lord Of The Rings is peculiarly unsuitable to transformation into visual dramatic form," he said.

"The suggestions that have been made that I 'disapprove' of the films, vent to the extent of thinking ill of those with whom I may differ, are wholly without foundation."

He added that he had never "expressed any such feeling".

link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...lm/1697884.stm

zinnite · 11-18-2003, 06:44 PM

That's the article, you beat me to the punch.

11-13-2003, 12:46 AM	#22
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	well, my source was a book from newline baout the upcoming movie, so i'd say it was pretty dern reliable. haha, JD i completly agree with you on something! amazing. it's not really the fact the the evenstar breaks, it's the quote from around that statement. i haven't go thte book, so here's the gist. "the power of the evenstar is broken, and all thoughout middle earth the effect is felt..." or something.. uh oh, more story line changes. i know im going to love this movie, it's my favourite book out of the three, and im sure it will be done well.. but now, instead of obsessively excited, im more cautiously excited... __________________

11-13-2003, 03:07 PM	#23
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Well, the Grey Havens are definately gonna be there, cuz I've read too much saying or hinting that they are. And we already knew that Scouring wasn't gonna be in it. If I had a stress ball I would have already shredded it. The last book has so many exciting, tender, hopeless, and hope-filled parts that I hope PJ doesn't butcher them just to make the Battle of Pellanor Fields the all-important element. __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

11-13-2003, 03:42 PM	#24
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Except with Saruman gone it /is/ the all-important element. Did you see /any/ Saruman in the companion, LuthienTinuviel? is desperatly trying to prove that Saruman will be in the movie You know, I'm glad he's cutting all that stuff! He can't steal my imangination of those from me just because I want to be in the debates! __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

11-13-2003, 03:55 PM	#25
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Yeah, I'll still expect to see then there. Hopefully the leak is looney. Whatever! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-13-2003, 06:40 PM	#26
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I just read a little piece in USA today that said Christopher Lee bieng extremely upset about his not bieng in rotk. then it had a little quote by jackson that read "its a fun little piece, but i feel its continueing the two towers instead of starting return of the king" ummm, it should be like that...jackson. lotr is supposed to be one book.... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

11-13-2003, 09:21 PM	#27
Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	Oh well, so much for the Saruman dying on a spikey wheel thing.

11-13-2003, 11:38 PM	#28
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	You guys just have to wait a little longer. It will all be in the ROTK extended edition.

11-13-2003, 11:52 PM	#30
Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	Jersey Devil, meet Brickwall, Brickwall, meet Jersey Devil...

11-14-2003, 12:17 AM	#31
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I'm surprised Christopher Tolkien hasnt complained about PJ's changing so much. I guess it was a lot of money......... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

11-16-2003, 03:03 PM	#33
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	oi, oi , oi.. mixed feelings settting in... hopelessness ensueing.. ....it's growing dark... __________________

11-16-2003, 04:52 PM	#34
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Hector: Actually, I think it's Tolkien Enterprises (a company that bought the rights) that gets the money, not the Tolkien Estate. As for Christopher Tolkien, he has remained absolutely silent about it, I believe. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-18-2003, 01:02 PM	#39
Curufinwe Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New England Posts: 59	From the BBC dated Friday, 7 December, 2001 "My own position is that The Lord Of The Rings is peculiarly unsuitable to transformation into visual dramatic form," he said. "The suggestions that have been made that I 'disapprove' of the films, vent to the extent of thinking ill of those with whom I may differ, are wholly without foundation." He added that he had never "expressed any such feeling". link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...lm/1697884.stm

11-18-2003, 06:44 PM	#40
zinnite Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lawrence, Kansas, USA Posts: 195	That's the article, you beat me to the punch. __________________ A citizen runs to the fire department yelling that he's spotted a roaring blaze from his car. "WHERE IS IT?" the fire department asks, pen ready. "It rises like some brooding , glaring trail of cosmic fury from- " "WHERE? WHERE?" "Oh. Well, it blazes up from a crimson-sheathed visage brooding darkly above the haunted towers of impotent indignity which, like melons hovering unhappily over lifetimes of empty meaning which-" "THE ADDRESS!" "Oh. Oh, I didn't notice. But look for a brooding, glaring trail of cosmic fury rising from a crimson-sheathed visage-" They lead him back to his car, and send him on. -- Philip K. Dick "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Diderot

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