If it was possible to cut someone out of the movie, who would it be? - Page 2

cassiopeia · 05-04-2003, 03:09 AM

I don't think you could cut out Rosie Cotton. Tolkien liked to tie up lose ends, so we really need Sam to marry so his children can pass the Red Book down. I think there will be something about the Red Book in ROTK, so Rosie is needed.
Arwen needs to be in so Aragorn can marry her and thus Gondor will have a king for many years to come. Every hates Arwen because she turned 'Xena' in the FOTR. If the film's writers changed her role I'm sure we would like her much more.

Definitely Lurtz could be cut out, and perhaps Hama as well. What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...

Lalaith · 05-04-2003, 04:38 AM

Arwen should be replaced with Glorfindel.
Haldir in TTT.

Elvengirl · 05-04-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
I don't think you could cut out Rosie Cotton. Tolkien liked to tie up lose ends, so we really need Sam to marry so his children can pass the Red Book down. I think there will be something about the Red Book in ROTK, so Rosie is needed.
Arwen needs to be in so Aragorn can marry her and thus Gondor will have a king for many years to come. Every hates Arwen because she turned 'Xena' in the FOTR. If the film's writers changed her role I'm sure we would like her much more.
Definitely Lurtz could be cut out, and perhaps Hama as well. What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...

And Viggo doesn't bring fan girls? ahem*looks at Cassiopia's title Viggoholic*

Yes, Rosie is needed and as she doesn't play a huge part, I thought she was acceptable.

And I don't think Arwen should be removed from the story completely, but yes, PJ's interpretation of her character should.

Lurtz didn't contribute anything to the movie except a pretty cool action-filled fight scene w/ Aragorn. He could be cut out.

***Fat middle*** · 05-04-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan
If it was possible to cut someone out of the movie, who would it be?

not Haldir, ALL elves at Helms Deep should be cut out.

Artanis · 05-04-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Fat middle
not Haldir, ALL elves at Helms Deep should be cut out.

But Helms Deep would have been invaded without them. You would have to place Eomer and his men there instead.

I would have cut out movie-Faramir and put in book-Faramir. But I'm afraid that would work only for those who have read the book.

Elf Girl · 05-04-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
But Helms Deep would have been invaded without them. You would have to place Eomer and his men there instead.

Yeah. Like in the book.

durin's bane · 05-04-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by gimli7410
frodo. i hated that guy.

Lol. They don't really need to cut him out, they just need to make him grow-up.

Or make him like the book Frodo (that Frodo rules!)

Indril Anarion · 05-05-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums...

Sooo not true...it was Legolas who saw the Warg spies coming in TTT and killed the cave troll in FOTR...he plays an important role...but, I have to say that I like Legolas in the book better...

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 05-05-2003, 08:14 PM

If we are talking about literally cutting a character from the movie it would have to be Arwen. Even if you didn't add Glorfindel (which they should have) you could conceivably get away with it without hurting the story much. All the sappy Arwen/Aragorn stuff could be replaced with more character development and some good dialogue.

Bombadillo · 05-06-2003, 10:58 AM

On second thought, I wouldn't want to cut Celeborn out of the movie. True, he did nothing, but his absence would sure upset readers. At least me anyway.

So to answer the question differently, I'd cut the elves out of Helm's Deep and remove Elrond from the beginning sequence of Sauron's death.

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-06-2003, 11:03 AM

Evidently, Glorfindel, Tom Bombadil, Old Man Willow, Halbarad, Gloin, Elladan, Elrohir...

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 05-06-2003, 06:17 PM

I know where you are coming from as far as removing Elrond from the Last Alliance scenes, but I think having him there is important to add weight and importance to his character later on in the movie, especially for non-tolkienites.

Elvengirl · 05-06-2003, 07:45 PM

Whoa, wait a minute are you saying Elrond was not in the Last Alliance? in the book? I gotta check this out...................

cassiopeia · 05-06-2003, 07:54 PM

Elrond was at the Last Alliance. We are discussing who could be cut from the movies, if we really, really, really had to.

Anglorfin · 05-06-2003, 09:00 PM

Sad to say it, but Gil-Galad. Even though he was only in the Prologue they didn't need to show him. Even as it is, I think if they were to put him at all in the first place they should have made him a more important figure in the Prologue than just seeing his face once.

Elvengirl · 05-06-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
Elrond was at the Last Alliance. We are discussing who could be cut from the movies, if we really, really, really had to.

OK, phew

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-06-2003, 11:59 PM

I'm with Coney and Wayfarer on who SHOULD be cut, despite who was...

Fingolfinrox · 05-07-2003, 07:10 PM

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I would have cut out movie-Faramir and put in book-Faramir. But I'm afraid that would work only for those who have read the book.

Yeah I agree with you Artanis. But supposing I could only just cut a character, it would be.... I don't know. I suppose they're all better then nothing. *Grovels before Haldir haters*

Iboen · 05-11-2003, 04:30 AM

Eowyn. (no offence to the creator of this forum!) but i just think she's dead weedy. (plus th fact she fancied Aragorn)

Elvellyn · 05-11-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
Arwen should be replaced with Glorfindel.

You want Glofindel to marry Aragorn?

05-04-2003, 03:09 AM	#21
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I don't think you could cut out Rosie Cotton. Tolkien liked to tie up lose ends, so we really need Sam to marry so his children can pass the Red Book down. I think there will be something about the Red Book in ROTK, so Rosie is needed. Arwen needs to be in so Aragorn can marry her and thus Gondor will have a king for many years to come. Every hates Arwen because she turned 'Xena' in the FOTR. If the film's writers changed her role I'm sure we would like her much more. Definitely Lurtz could be cut out, and perhaps Hama as well. What about Legolas? The only thing he suceeds in doing is bringing crazed fan girls to movie forums... __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

05-04-2003, 04:38 AM	#22
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Arwen should be replaced with Glorfindel. Haldir in TTT. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

05-05-2003, 08:14 PM	#29
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	If we are talking about literally cutting a character from the movie it would have to be Arwen. Even if you didn't add Glorfindel (which they should have) you could conceivably get away with it without hurting the story much. All the sappy Arwen/Aragorn stuff could be replaced with more character development and some good dialogue. __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

05-06-2003, 10:58 AM	#30
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	On second thought, I wouldn't want to cut Celeborn out of the movie. True, he did nothing, but his absence would sure upset readers. At least me anyway. So to answer the question differently, I'd cut the elves out of Helm's Deep and remove Elrond from the beginning sequence of Sauron's death. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

05-06-2003, 11:03 AM	#31
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Evidently, Glorfindel, Tom Bombadil, Old Man Willow, Halbarad, Gloin, Elladan, Elrohir... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-06-2003, 06:17 PM	#32
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	I know where you are coming from as far as removing Elrond from the Last Alliance scenes, but I think having him there is important to add weight and importance to his character later on in the movie, especially for non-tolkienites. __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

05-06-2003, 07:45 PM	#33
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	Whoa, wait a minute are you saying Elrond was not in the Last Alliance? in the book? I gotta check this out................... __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

05-06-2003, 07:54 PM	#34
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Elrond was at the Last Alliance. We are discussing who could be cut from the movies, if we really, really, really had to. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

05-06-2003, 09:00 PM	#35
Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	Sad to say it, but Gil-Galad. Even though he was only in the Prologue they didn't need to show him. Even as it is, I think if they were to put him at all in the first place they should have made him a more important figure in the Prologue than just seeing his face once. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

05-06-2003, 11:59 PM	#37
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I'm with Coney and Wayfarer on who SHOULD be cut, despite who was... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-11-2003, 04:30 AM	#39
Iboen Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cheshire, UK... w00tage! Posts: 43	Eowyn. (no offence to the creator of this forum!) but i just think she's dead weedy. (plus th fact she fancied Aragorn) __________________ Three rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his throne In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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