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Old 03-18-2003, 06:53 PM   #21
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There is a big difference between keeping a sworn promise that shows your true loyalty and friendship, than having another purpose for why you do something heroic.
Yes, true friendship has no need of oaths. You just do it because it's the right thing to do. I wonder if the thought of going alone to Angband and rescue Maedhros ever entered into the head of FF.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.”
As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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Yes, true friendship has no need of oaths. You just do it because it's the right thing to do. I wonder if the thought of going alone to Angband and rescue Maedhros ever entered into the head of FF.
Remember that Finrod was on the battlefield when he swore his oath to Barahir. Barahir saved his life and Finrod was greatful. What is wrong with that?

Fingon had plenty of time to consider his course of action.
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Old 03-19-2003, 05:01 AM   #23
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Fingon had no ties with the people that abadoned his people and led to the death of his sister-in-law in Argon his brothers, plus many others.

He rescued Maedhros for love, not any oath.
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I keep forgetting, why is FF so well liked?
Because I'm such an adorable little hobbit-lass!!

J/K ... I haven't forgotten Fingon at all. In fact, I like him better than Finrod, although Fingolfin is the best of all (see signature). Maedhros is one of my favorite Elves, and the story of Fingon saving Maedhros from Thangorodrim is so touching. Really love it.
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He rescued Maedhros for love, not any oath.
Fingon, although valiant and brave, had another agenda for rescuing Maedhros. It was not just his love for him.
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Old 03-19-2003, 01:51 PM   #26
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Fingon, although valiant and brave, had another agenda for rescuing Maedhros. It was not just his love for him.
Yes, the uniting of the Ñoldor. Which is in itself a noble goal. And he had no oath.
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I don't understand this need to constantly compare other characters to Finrod. They all had their good qualities. Meadhros, why do you dislike him so much? He was a good guy. Next thing you'll be telling me that Sauron and Morgoth were better than FF.
I think that it's cool. I want to end the myth that FF was the best elf char in the Sil. People might prefer him over other characters, but that is a personal opinion, I'm trying to prove that it is not because of his deeds.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.”
As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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I think that it's cool. I want to end the myth that FF was the best elf char in the Sil. People might prefer him over other characters, but that is a personal opinion, I'm trying to prove that it is not because of his deeds.
I don't think anyone has said that Finrod was the best Elf character in the Sil. He was a great Elf as were many. I think people love Finrod more for his kind and gentle nature. He was very noble and yet very down to earth. Not a snob. His deeds were great in their own right, just as the other princes. They all had a common goal together, and that was to fight the evil in the North and to protect their people.

Finrod is my favorite character, because of his nature. He is a character that stirs emotion in the reader. He makes you cry, because of his good nature, and yet all of his goodness did not save him from a life of lonliness or death. Yet he remained strong and endured to the end. Give him some credit, and a break. He is a great guy.
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Sister Golden Hair I must say that I completely agree with what you just said.
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Sister Golden Hair I must say that I completely agree with what you just said.
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I don't think anyone has said that Finrod was the best Elf character in the Sil. He was a great Elf as were many. I think people love Finrod more for his kind and gentle nature. He was very noble and yet very down to earth. Not a snob. His deeds were great in their own right, just as the other princes. They all had a common goal together, and that was to fight the evil in the North and to protect their people.

Finrod is my favorite character, because of his nature. He is a character that stirs emotion in the reader. He makes you cry, because of his good nature, and yet all of his goodness did not save him from a life of lonliness or death. Yet he remained strong and endured to the end. Give him some credit, and a break. He is a great guy.
Absolutely! However, I believe that I was the one who said Finrod was the best Elf character in The Sil. And I stand by that and am ready to defend that position. *draws Elven sword, places shield in front in defensive position*
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Absolutely! However, I believe that I was the one who said Finrod was the best Elf character in The Sil. And I stand by that and am ready to defend that position. *draws Elven sword, places shield in front in defensive position*
Well, he is that to you and me. You can't expect most of the male readers to feel that way. They like their favorite characters for other reasons.
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Well, he is that to you and me. You can't expect most of the male readers to feel that way. They like their favorite characters for other reasons.
sigh, yeah, I suppose you are right. *puts sword away and relaxes* I wouldn't want to impose my views on anyone else.
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Maedhros is English your 1st language or do you tend to just make speedy typing errors such as the following from your post?


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he had his brothers wife killed in that journey
That is pushing the grammatical standard of ambiguity between his brother's wife was killed on the journey and his ordering the death of his brother's wife.

I jest because I know own foible.

It seems that you perceive that there is some great juggernaut of Finrod support that is laying waste all that is in its path. Where do you base your feelings on this?
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Maedhros is English your 1st language or do you tend to just make speedy typing errors such as the following from your post?
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It seems that you perceive that there is some great juggernaut of Finrod support that is laying waste all that is in its path.
I like annoying FF fans.
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As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
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Really? I think you've succeded

At least you've managed to create some discussion in this forum
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Yeah, well, that's what the Silmarillion chapter discussion was for. A forum can't thrive, if people don't post.
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Yeah, well, that's what the Silmarillion chapter discussion was for.
Right, another one of ^^^'s good ideas. But right now it's been rather silent in the sticky thread up there.
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Right, another one of ^^^'s good ideas. But right now it's been rather silent in the sticky thread up there.
I think that's because the chapter being discussed now is so short.
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I think that's because the chapter being discussed now is so short.
Sure. *checks when the next chapter is due* - oh good, it's tomorrow! And then Fëanor enters the scene
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Sure. *checks when the next chapter is due* - oh good, it's tomorrow! And then Fëanor enters the scene
Not sure about it getting posted then. The person that it is assigned to I haven't seen on the board for awhile. I hope they remember. If not, it will have to be re-assigned.
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