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OH NO! Artanis is going to start quoting "Letters" now and Maedhros will have an even harder time telling us apart
 Artanis, I started reading this thread from the bottom, working up, and was just reaching for my copy of "Letters" to quote the passage that you quoted when I saw .... you beat me to it! This is really getting scary  Well, I'll add this: Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun!  Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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Does anyone in LotR name Eru at all? They speak about the Valar, or the powers, but I can't remember anyone speak about the One.
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I just got a GREAT idea for April fool's day ... mwahahahaha!
I'll PM you about it later, Artanis...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-06-2003, 08:34 PM
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
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How about Demi-Gods?
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I should have been clearer in my quote, AE - he goes on to say that 'gods' is more of a translation thing.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-07-2003, 01:20 AM
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
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02-11-2003, 12:33 AM
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From the forward of The Silmarillion:
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The same letter discusses the idea that the Elves "escaped from 'religion' in the pagan sense, into a pure monotheistic world..." through the direct relationship with Iluvatar. That escape must be from the world where only the Valar were known directly. He creates a world where pagan view exist so that the children of Iluvatar can be saved, in the Christian sense. And from letter# 131 Quote:
I think the is more to Tolkien's interchangeable use of angel and god than language. Also so aspects of the nature of the myth changed ever so slightly over time, with some elimination of the pagan mythology in favor of more monotheistic themes. The early creation myth found in BoLT 1 contains some decriptions of Iluvatar that are not found in the Silmarillion which sound less like the montheistic god. The use of pagan like characters as angels provides for more colorful characters like Ulmo. In the end they must perform like "angels" to fullfill Tolkien's "wholly catholic" works. Angellic gods or godly angels?
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02-11-2003, 10:21 PM
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Angels; I don't like the thought of having more than one god and the one god is Iluvatar .... and as Tolkien was a Christ I think he also only believes in one god.
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Cool, Tolkien was a Christ. I guess that's the point...
Haven't read the thread. Sorry. Valar are "angels" that Men in their ignorance call "gods." Is this not so? I'm sure there's some nice succinct JRRT quote that says precisely this. Toodle-oo!
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I think Lalaith means "Christian", not "Christ". I imagine German, not English, is her first language, since she is from Austria. And Tolkien was certainly a Christian, as you can see in his letters published in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.
I really admire the people that post on an English-language message board when their first language isn't English. I sure wish I spoke a second language, but I'm a typical American.... I did take a couple of years of German in high school, and I had a great teacher that really worked on accents, and I was in Switzerland once and spoke some German and the shopkeeper thought I was a German because of my accent! She soon found out I wasn't, though, because I couldn't keep up with her when she answered me! That was the highlight of my foreign language experience, though, that a native German speaker (Swiss-German) thought I was German Yes, Amandil, if you look back a bit in the thread you'll see some quotes.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?*"How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 02-12-2003 at 01:21 PM. |
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Oh my god, surley I meant Christian and not Christ. I'm always confusing that. Sorry.
And, yeah, my first language is German and as I know that this language is difficult I really admire everybody who learns German and is able to speak it.
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tThe Archangel Uriel.
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Re: tThe Archangel Uriel.
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Yes, it is in the Apocrypha, see here
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...and the Catholic mythology is here
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