The best Swordsman? - Page 2

KGamgee · 02-19-2002, 09:29 PM

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Or maybe I'm not....

Aragorns Dimple · 02-20-2002, 11:10 PM

I think that Isildur deserves a mention here, as he was just about to die up against the most feared enemy of middle earth, Sauron, who even broke his father's sword into pieces, which would dishearten any normal man. Yet, as heir to Elendil and with kingly fortitude, he managed to gather the courage to strike at the enemy in desperation, cutting the Ring from Sauron's finger and sending him into oblivion for a few thousand years! Now that's a pretty powerful sword strike, don't ya think? Doesn't even compare to slaying a few miserable Orcs.

Andúril · 02-14-2003, 02:57 PM

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I think that Isildur deserves a mention here, as he was just about to die up against the most feared enemy of middle earth, Sauron,

I'm not so sure about that. Tolkien does not say whether Isildur was under any direct threat from Sauron at the time. Besides, Sauron wasn't exactly attacking at that exact moment (he had been "thrown down" (The Silmarillion, pg 294) or "overthrown" (The Lord of the Rings I, pg 256)).

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who even broke his father's sword into pieces, which would dishearten any normal man. Yet, as heir to Elendil and with kingly fortitude, he managed to gather the courage to strike at the enemy in desperation, cutting the Ring from Sauron's finger and sending him into oblivion for a few thousand years!

Once again, I am not so sure about any "desperation". Tolkien does not say that Isildur struck out at Sauron, merely that he cut the Ring from his hand. Remember, Sauron had just been "thrown down" or "overthrown".

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Now that's a pretty powerful sword strike, don't ya think?

Nope.

Radagast The Brown · 02-14-2003, 05:15 PM

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Who do you think is the best Swordsman ?? Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir or Eomer?

I think aragorn. Then Boromir, Eomer and Faramir in the end.

Coney · 02-14-2003, 05:39 PM

Aragorn, then Imrahil, Boromir, Eomer, Faramir.......Gandalf is not too shabby at swinging a sword either (Thorin Oakenshield gets a posthumous mention)

afro-elf · 02-14-2003, 08:34 PM

The last few posters seem to be for getting this:

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Éowyn realizes in The Steward and the King that Faramir was a man no one among the Rohirrim could match in battle, so Éomer is out of the running right there.

Millane · 02-15-2003, 01:06 AM

mmm Aragorn Boromir Eomer (faramir doesnt come into it regardless of fact

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i think that Turin would have been the best... yes i dont recall where but it was said somewhere in the Sil that when Turin died so did the greatest warriors of men to walk Ea

Fingolfin_1st · 02-15-2003, 01:25 PM

ypur gettin mixed up with Hurin turins dad hurin was the greatest warrior of men.
But does it have to be out of them four?
if it does then i say:
Aragorn
Boromir
Eomer
Faramir

I know you said eomer is last of the pile but i dont think so at the end of the pellonor battle it said that Aragorn Imrahil and eomer were unharmed because such was there skill at arms and correct me if im wrong but wasnt faramir shot with a poison dart?
If he was such a great warrior he would have avoided it.

And about meadhros being stronger than Fingolfin??
ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! do you really think that meadhros could stand up against Morgoth..........i think not.
Feanor maybe but he was killed by Gothmog and i bet Fingolfin would mess up Gothmog with one strike.

Spock · 02-15-2003, 03:57 PM

I. Montoya

The Lady of Ithilien · 02-15-2003, 04:27 PM

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Éowyn realizes in The Steward and the King that Faramir was a man no one among the Rohirrim could match in battle, so Éomer is out of the running right there.

Ah, every sister tends to underestimate her brother.

Aragorn was the best, undoubtedly, but somebody's got to speak up for Éomer here. He beat Uglúk in a one-on-one sword fight at the border of Fangorn, after all. And at the close of the Battle of the Pelennor Field, he was, along with Aragorn and Imrahil, unscathed,

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...for such was their fortune and the skill and might of their arms,....
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Also, he accompanied King Elessar often "beyond the Sea of Rhun and on the far fields of the South" until he grew old. Aragorn wouldn't have fought alongside anyone but the best.

So, also given that Faramir told Frodo that Boromir was the best fighting man in Gondor, I'd rank them:

Aragorn
Éomer
Boromir
Faramir

Andúril · 02-16-2003, 05:00 AM

Aragorn
Boromir
Faramir
Éomer

Elf.Freak · 02-16-2003, 03:37 PM

i'd say Aragorn

Varda Oiolosseo · 02-16-2003, 03:40 PM

Aragorn
Boromir
Éomer
Faramir

I think Éowyn was a very good swordswoman.

afro-elf · 02-16-2003, 08:57 PM

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He beat Uglúk in a one-on-one sword fight at the border of Fangorn, after all

What page is that on? Next to Elrond AND Half-elven?

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he was, along with Aragorn and Imrahil, unscathed,

Faramir was not there so we do not know how he would have done.

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Aragorn wouldn't have fought alongside anyone but the best.

Faramir was the Steward he couldn't go.

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So, also given that Faramir told Frodo that Boromir was the best fighting man in Gondor

A non sequitor because it says that " No man of the Mark could beat"

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correct me if im wrong but wasnt faramir shot with a poison dart?

To Paraphrase Elrond" it only takes one projectile to slay the greatest warrior"

It not like the people have minus ten armor classes and it was a plot device to hook up Faramir and Eowyn and cause Denethor's final plunge into insanity.

afro-elf · 02-16-2003, 09:14 PM

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I. Montoya

Not Minamoto Musashi?

wahine · 02-16-2003, 09:22 PM

What an absurd question. Aragorn, he is dunedain no?

And how skilled could Bormir be? He died.

afro-elf · 02-17-2003, 03:29 AM

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What an absurd question. Aragorn, he is dunedain no?

And how skilled could Bormir be? He died.

Of the four mentioned Aragorn is the best ;however, your statement about is odd if it was meant to be serious.

Far greater warriors died in ME than any of the four mentioned here could every hope to be.

Dying in battle in and of itself in not the mark of a skilled warrior.

afro-elf · 02-17-2003, 03:37 AM

BTW Boromir is Dunedain too.
The house of stewards are an off shoot of the royal line.

Maedhros · 02-17-2003, 01:57 PM

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And about meadhros being stronger than Fingolfin??
ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! do you really think that meadhros could stand up against Morgoth..........i think not.
Feanor maybe but he was killed by Gothmog and i bet Fingolfin would mess up Gothmog with one strike.

I think that the first son of the first prince of the Ñoldor could in fact deliver some blows against Morgoth. After all, he was not too fond of Morgoth either.

The Lady of Ithilien · 02-17-2003, 04:24 PM

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What page is that on? Next to Elrond AND Half-elven?

Nah, actually it's on page 63 of The Two Towers in the famous "Elrond and Halfelven" edition (a/k/a the Houghton Mifflin 1965 hardcover book, second edition), i.e., at the end of the chapter "The Uruk-Hai":

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So it was that they (Merry and Pippin...TLoI) did not see the last stand, when Uglúk was overtaken and brought to bay at the very edge of Fangorn. There he was slain at last by Éomer, the Third Marshal of Rohan, who dismounted and fought him sword to sword.

One imagines it was Uglúk's head on the stake that the Three Hunters saw when they finally reached the battleground. Gimli was rather lucky that Éomer's fighting blood had had a chance to cool down before their argument re: Galadriel.

Yay, Éomer!

02-20-2002, 11:10 PM	#22
Aragorns Dimple Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: On Viggo's Chin Posts: 77	I think that Isildur deserves a mention here, as he was just about to die up against the most feared enemy of middle earth, Sauron, who even broke his father's sword into pieces, which would dishearten any normal man. Yet, as heir to Elendil and with kingly fortitude, he managed to gather the courage to strike at the enemy in desperation, cutting the Ring from Sauron's finger and sending him into oblivion for a few thousand years! Now that's a pretty powerful sword strike, don't ya think? Doesn't even compare to slaying a few miserable Orcs. __________________ "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?" - Gollum

02-14-2003, 05:39 PM	#25
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Aragorn, then Imrahil, Boromir, Eomer, Faramir.......Gandalf is not too shabby at swinging a sword either (Thorin Oakenshield gets a posthumous mention) __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica Last edited by Coney : 02-14-2003 at 05:43 PM.

02-15-2003, 01:06 AM	#27
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	mmm Aragorn Boromir Eomer (faramir doesnt come into it regardless of fact ) i think that Turin would have been the best... yes i dont recall where but it was said somewhere in the Sil that when Turin died so did the greatest warriors of men to walk Ea __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

02-15-2003, 01:25 PM	#28
Fingolfin_1st Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: i live where i am Posts: 122	ypur gettin mixed up with Hurin turins dad hurin was the greatest warrior of men. But does it have to be out of them four? if it does then i say: Aragorn Boromir Eomer Faramir I know you said eomer is last of the pile but i dont think so at the end of the pellonor battle it said that Aragorn Imrahil and eomer were unharmed because such was there skill at arms and correct me if im wrong but wasnt faramir shot with a poison dart? If he was such a great warrior he would have avoided it. And about meadhros being stronger than Fingolfin?? ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! do you really think that meadhros could stand up against Morgoth..........i think not. Feanor maybe but he was killed by Gothmog and i bet Fingolfin would mess up Gothmog with one strike. __________________ www.zippit.com.org

02-15-2003, 03:57 PM	#29
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	My choice, The Best Swordsman I. Montoya __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

02-19-2002, 09:29 PM	#21
KGamgee Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 103	Sam! Hey, if you don't believe me, go to Mordor and try to take out a giant spider by yourself....it isn't too easy (so I've heard ) Just kidding. Or maybe I'm not....

02-16-2003, 05:00 AM	#31
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Aragorn Boromir Faramir Éomer

02-16-2003, 03:37 PM	#32
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	i'd say Aragorn __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

02-16-2003, 03:40 PM	#33
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	Aragorn Boromir Éomer Faramir I think Éowyn was a very good swordswoman.

02-16-2003, 09:22 PM	#36
wahine The Original Amazonian Coconut Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Answering no questions, telling no lies. Posts: 753	What an absurd question. Aragorn, he is dunedain no? And how skilled could Bormir be? He died. __________________ Hem, hem

02-17-2003, 03:37 AM	#38
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	BTW Boromir is Dunedain too. The house of stewards are an off shoot of the royal line. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 02-17-2003 at 03:38 AM.

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