Does Fëanor himself appear in one of the movies, or something?

[Curufin]

Love your organization!

I can just skip Movie 9 and there will be nothing I dislike about the whole thing! So nice and neatly done.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

Here is one possible way to cover the Silmarillion in 13 movies.

Movie one covers the beginning through the arrival of the Elves in Aman.
Movie two goes through the darkening of Valinor.
Movie three - Flight of the Noldor through the rising of the Moon.
Movie four - Rising of the moon to beginning of the long peace.
Movie five - The coming of men, story of Maeglin, Hurin/Huor to Gondolin on Eagles
Movie six - Dagor Bragollach, The Fall of Fingolfin, Barahir's group destroyed/Beren survives
Movie seven - Beren & Luthien
Movie eight - Unnumbered Tears
Movie nine - Turin Turambar
Movie ten - Tuor and the fall of Gondolin
Movie eleven - The ruin of Doriath
Movie twelve - Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath
Movie thirteen - Akallabeth

I'm thinking I'll go 2 hours and 10 minutes. The titles are against a lovely animation that represents the Ainulindale. I'll get a big name composer for that. Then the Valar come on, and I'm having all the Valar doubled as characters in the big adventure story, with the jewels. Don't worry about that, because they'll be in stylized masks, as the Valar and Maiar. The unimportant ones I'll have played by pretty women.

Big battle, Beren and Luthien, probably some nudity, there. Earendil sails, goes back to kick some ass, roll credits as Sauron takes ship, escaping.

Camera pulls back and it's Iluvatar who's been narrating the story, use really old hands to close the book.

[Curufin]

Where's Fëanor?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

What do you mean, "WHere's Feanor?" He has to make the jewels, doesn't he? The jewels are the story.

I figure we introduce him, like, playing with sand on a beach. The pebbles there give him the idea, then he goes off to this place like Superman's palace of ice to make them.

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

What do you mean, "WHere's Feanor?" He has to make the jewels, doesn't he? The jewels are the story.

I figure we introduce him, like, playing with sand on a beach. The pebbles there give him the idea, then he goes off to this place like Superman's palace of ice to make them.

Er...

I'm scared now.

[BeardofPants]

Originally Posted by Curufin

Love your organization!

I can just skip Movie 9 and there will be nothing I dislike about the whole thing! So nice and neatly done.

OMG. You don't like Narn I Hin Hurin??? That's only my favouritest part evar!!111

[Curufin]

I can't stand Túrin. Yes, I've forced myself to read it, both in the Silm and the longer version, but I just can't stomach the guy.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

What makes the Turin story worthwhile, to me, is Hurin and Morwen. I can't stand Turin and his string of boneheaded decisions, either. Of course, he was practically raised by the biggest 'tard in Middle Earth, Thingol, so I guess it's to be expected he'll do dumb things.

But Hurin is maybe my favorite Man in the Professor's entire works. He holds the story of Turin together like bookends.

[Curufin]

I almost gave up on the Silmarillion when I got to that chapter. It was so long, and everything about Túrin was so distasteful to me...

When it comes to Húrin and Morwen, well, they're okay, but they're barely in it. The story's about Túrin! And am I really supposed to like a guy who spends all his time whining and feeling sorry for himself, giving himself these emo names like "The Wronged" etc., when he has brought every bit of his misery and suffering on himself? I honestly don't think 'fate' has anything to do with it. My understanding of texts such as The Athrabeth and various other parts of HoME is that Men aren't even entirely subject to 'fate'.

Seriously, if Túrin had just gone home and told Thingol everything that happened (or gone home one of the million times that Beleg begged him to) nothing bad would have happened to him. Beleg would still be alive, and he wouldn't have slept with his sister.

He reminds me too much of a stubborn emo kid who would rather feel sorry for himself than take responsibility for his actions.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

What makes the Turin story worthwhile, to me, is Hurin and Morwen. I can't stand Turin and his string of boneheaded decisions, either. Of course, he was practically raised by the biggest 'tard in Middle Earth, Thingol, so I guess it's to be expected he'll do dumb things.

But Hurin is maybe my favorite Man in the Professor's entire works. He holds the story of Turin together like bookends.

I don't understand that. Politically, the man is a complete disaster.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

I know you're going to think I'm baiting you, Curufin, but honestly I'm not. I always felt Turin was the human counterpart to Feanor. The great flawed orphan of his race. Destroyed by hubris. Lots of parallels there.

As for fate, it isn't fate in general that is Turin's problem, it is the curse of Morgoth specifically on him and his family. But I agree he could have broken the curse if he had been less of a dope. You can't work in Eru's despite, but one would think defying Morgoth is possible if you're acting nobly.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

I don't understand that. Politically, the man is a complete disaster.

Hurin? Politics? I don't get your point...

[Curufin]

DPR - I see the parallels, but for me, the difference is that while Fëanor certainly has pride and hubris aplenty, he takes responsibility for his actions. He never accuses the Valar of not being 'fair' when they banish him and his family. Or when they banish him to Formenos, for that matter. He defies them, yes, but he takes total responsibility for his own actions.

Túrin, after ruthlessly murdering someone in the woods, doesn't see why he should even have to apologize. And then he runs away (cowardly!) and goes and hides in the woods so that he doesn't have to. He wants them to apologize to him because he killed someone! What a tool.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

Hurin? Politics? I don't get your point...

Well, he betrayed Gondolin, didn't he? He started a fight that wiped out the Haladad and he spread cursed gold all over. If you're going to criticise bad decisions, I'd think some of those would make your list.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

I'm not aware of Hurin doing any of those things. Could you be more specific?

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Originally Posted by Curufin

DPR - I see the parallels, but for me, the difference is that while Fëanor certainly has pride and hubris aplenty, he takes responsibility for his actions. He never accuses the Valar of not being 'fair' when they banish him and his family. Or when they banish him to Formenos, for that matter. He defies them, yes, but he takes total responsibility for his own actions.

Túrin, after ruthlessly murdering someone in the woods, doesn't see why he should even have to apologize. And then he runs away (cowardly!) and goes and hides in the woods so that he doesn't have to. He wants them to apologize to him because he killed someone! What a tool.

You can accuse Turin of ruthlessly murdering someone (when he did no such thing) and yet defend Feanor? You in your pints, girl?

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

You can accuse Turin of ruthlessly murdering someone (when he did no such thing) and yet defend Feanor? You in your pints, girl?

Ah, I see, pick out the part of my post that's pure opinion, and ignore my perfectly valid point.

And despite the fact that he didn't 'ruthlessly murder' Saeros, he was cruel to him. Fëanor was violent, and often ruthless, but never cruel. He never tortured or belittled anyone. Túrin did.

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by The Dread Pirate Roberts

I'm not aware of Hurin doing any of those things. Could you be more specific?

Probably not. I read this almost 30 years ago. But wasn't Hurin tortured and forced to watch his kids get into trouble, and collected cursed treasure to offend Thingol. Turin's dad? Or is that from the more recent books?

They were all nimrods.

[Gordis]

Hmm. I rather like what Turin did to Saeros.
There are some Elves I would have liked to see treated in a similar way...

[Curufin]

There are some Elves I would have liked to see treated in a similar way...

Thingol?