??? Son of Aragorn... - Page 2

Starr Polish · 06-01-2002, 02:03 PM

Well, since none of the names of the daughters are ever mentioned, I can assume one of two things

1) He was the eldest and inherited the throne, thus the only 'important' child of Arwen and Aragorn, or

2) The daughters, regardless of age, were not considered important and the first son became the heir to the throne.

Michael Martinez · 06-08-2002, 09:03 PM

Eldarion would have succeeded Aragorn under Arnorian/Gondorian law, which did not allow for Ruling Queens, as in Numenor. Hence, his place in birth succession with respect to his sisters was irrelevant.

There were probably no more than 2 or 3 daughters. Arwen is unlikely to have had many more children than that.

Ñólendil · 06-12-2002, 02:48 PM

You mean because of her Elven blood?

Michael Martinez · 06-12-2002, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil
You mean because of her Elven blood?

Yes. But then, Aragorn's family wasn't exactly known for having lots of children, either.

Willow Oran · 07-02-2002, 09:34 PM

Speaking of Aragorn's children, is it possible that some of them might have chosen immortality? They would have been half elves so it would make sense for them to have the same choice that was given to their mother, uncles, grandfather etc.

Mirahzi · 07-02-2002, 11:55 PM

I think the choice was only given to a few of the half-elves.. I don't think Dior was given a choice. Also, the mothers, uncles, and grandfathers (on Aragorn's side) of the children of Aragorn were not given the choice of race.

Willow Oran · 07-03-2002, 02:52 PM

Yes, but the people on Aragorn's side of the family weren't half elves. They were humans wih half elvish blood. Aragorn and Arwen's children are about as half elvish as you can get. Also the choice thing doesn't seem to come into the story until after the two halfelven lines were joined, which is also happening with A&A
so it would make sense for their childen to have the choice. And it never does say what happened to all those daughters, one of them might have chosen to be elvish and gone west. It's possible.

Menelvagor · 07-03-2002, 04:59 PM

Hm... but would it matter that Arwen chose to be a mortal before having children? Technically, I suppose she wasn't an elf anymore.

Ñólendil · 07-04-2002, 08:35 PM

Yet Lúthien also chose to become mortal, and yet her son was accounted the first of the Half-elven. This doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing would happen with Arwen's children though. I think the difference between the First and Third Ages ought to be analyzed.

Christiana · 07-07-2002, 01:02 PM

There were female Noldor rulers-Galdriel,4 1.

Menelvagor · 07-08-2002, 10:45 AM

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Yet Lúthien also chose to become mortal, and yet her son was accounted thefirst of the Half-elven. This doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing wouldhappen with Arwen's children though. I think the difference between the First and Third Ages ought to be analyzed.

Yeah, I though about tht right after I posted.

(I'm literally psyched out right now, AP psych exam on Friday

) Was Dior given a choice?

Christiana · 07-08-2002, 02:17 PM

well,he was slain,so i dont thenk it mattered much.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 07-08-2002, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Christiana
well,he was slain,so i dont thenk it mattered much.

It doesn't matter if he was slain or not. Dior was not given the choice, because he was born after Luthien was released from Mandos and returned from the dead with Beren to Middle-earth which at that point, they were both mortal.

Ñólendil · 07-09-2002, 12:17 AM

The first people to receive choices, which is to say: the first Half-elves to receive choices, were Eärendil (the second ever Half-elf, son of Tuor and Idril Celebrindal) and Elwing (daughter of Nimloth niece of Celeborn and Dior, son of Beren and Lúthien). The second pair of choices, so to speak, were given to Elros and Elrond, the children of Eärendil and Elwing.

06-01-2002, 02:03 PM	#21
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Well, since none of the names of the daughters are ever mentioned, I can assume one of two things 1) He was the eldest and inherited the throne, thus the only 'important' child of Arwen and Aragorn, or 2) The daughters, regardless of age, were not considered important and the first son became the heir to the throne. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

06-08-2002, 09:03 PM	#22
Michael Martinez Elven Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 892	Eldarion would have succeeded Aragorn under Arnorian/Gondorian law, which did not allow for Ruling Queens, as in Numenor. Hence, his place in birth succession with respect to his sisters was irrelevant. There were probably no more than 2 or 3 daughters. Arwen is unlikely to have had many more children than that. __________________ http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ http://www.michael-martinez.com/ http://www.merp.com/essays/MichaelMartinez/

06-12-2002, 02:48 PM	#23
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	You mean because of her Elven blood? __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-02-2002, 09:34 PM	#25
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Speaking of Aragorn's children, is it possible that some of them might have chosen immortality? They would have been half elves so it would make sense for them to have the same choice that was given to their mother, uncles, grandfather etc. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

07-02-2002, 11:55 PM	#26
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	I think the choice was only given to a few of the half-elves.. I don't think Dior was given a choice. Also, the mothers, uncles, and grandfathers (on Aragorn's side) of the children of Aragorn were not given the choice of race. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

07-03-2002, 02:52 PM	#27
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Yes, but the people on Aragorn's side of the family weren't half elves. They were humans wih half elvish blood. Aragorn and Arwen's children are about as half elvish as you can get. Also the choice thing doesn't seem to come into the story until after the two halfelven lines were joined, which is also happening with A&A so it would make sense for their childen to have the choice. And it never does say what happened to all those daughters, one of them might have chosen to be elvish and gone west. It's possible. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

07-03-2002, 04:59 PM	#28
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Hm... but would it matter that Arwen chose to be a mortal before having children? Technically, I suppose she wasn't an elf anymore.

07-04-2002, 08:35 PM	#29
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yet Lúthien also chose to become mortal, and yet her son was accounted the first of the Half-elven. This doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing would happen with Arwen's children though. I think the difference between the First and Third Ages ought to be analyzed. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-07-2002, 01:02 PM	#30
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	There were female Noldor rulers-Galdriel,4 1. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

07-08-2002, 02:17 PM	#32
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	well,he was slain,so i dont thenk it mattered much. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

07-09-2002, 12:17 AM	#34
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The first people to receive choices, which is to say: the first Half-elves to receive choices, were Eärendil (the second ever Half-elf, son of Tuor and Idril Celebrindal) and Elwing (daughter of Nimloth niece of Celeborn and Dior, son of Beren and Lúthien). The second pair of choices, so to speak, were given to Elros and Elrond, the children of Eärendil and Elwing. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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