Writing using Tengwar characters - II - Page 2

katya · 06-15-2010, 07:59 PM

I can't remember what it's called, but for example, "cat" would be spelled with a K first and then a T with the "a" over top of it. And phonetically, not like trying to spell things out. Like "school" would be "S-K-u/L" and not trying to figure out the "c" and "h" or writing two O's. We did a lot of playing around with S curves too, and also I think the special characters for "the" and "of".

Hirulin · 06-15-2010, 08:08 PM

Sounds like the Sindarin/English mode! Although, I do tend to use ALL the symbols (inc. sh, ch, th, dh etc!) once you start using them, it becomes surprisingly easy to work out which symbols are needed for which dipthong! and double "o", I just attatch a line before the first "o" to denote a doubling (J.R.R did mention about doubling with consonants, but not [to my knowledge] about vowels!) I've made a "cheat sheet" any-ways so if I am feeling a little slow (or like now, drunk!!!) I can easily check which is needed!

(sorry for being droll! Cherry's kicked in! lol!

katya · 06-15-2010, 08:21 PM

Drunken posting! Oh my! Yes I use the ch, sh, (even dh!) too.

Hirulin · 06-15-2010, 08:29 PM

hehe! *raises glass in a toast to tolkien*

If you feel like getting back into it hun, my e-mail is in my first post! Feel free, in fact, I'd welcome it!

especially as we write in the same mode (as far as I can ascertain)

*does a little drunken jig around the room!*

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-15-2010, 09:04 PM

I've just downed a half a bottle of rose wine, so I'm feeling you, Hir!

Welcome to the Moot, by the way.

Hirulin · 06-15-2010, 09:33 PM

Only half hun! tsk tsk tsk! get the rest drank! lol! My bottle of cherry is now empty!

oh well! Off to the writing desk! Do you know the tengwar by the way?

Oh, and Fanx for the welcome! I must admit, the people on Entmoot are a lot friendlier than those on the council of elrond! lol!

Luv!

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-15-2010, 09:55 PM

Oh, fear not, the first half had been drunk earlier!

Alas, I fear I do not know the Tengwar. I know a few word stems in Quenya and in Sindarin, but that's the extent of my grasp of Tolkien's languages.

EllethValatari · 06-15-2010, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hirulin

By the way, I write in the Sindarin mode (i.e. Vowels above the letter they precede) but with English words (I can't speak sindarin, I only know a few words courtesy of Thorsten Renk's "Pedin Edhellen" [sindarin course] )

I loved his course so much I printed it off and got it spiral-bound (and yes, my parents made me pay for the paper)! I'll have to take you up of that too, and it will be good practice plus I won't have to look up vocab and review the grammar!

Hirulin · 06-15-2010, 10:33 PM

I must admit that I used his course mainly for the writing side of things, although I do use it for reference regarding sindarin vocab! But even so, I enjoy a challenge.

write me with sindarin words if you wish and I'll TRY to translate and write back! Lol! Again, email is in the first post in the thread. Write me anything you wish! Lol!

Hirulin · 06-15-2010, 10:42 PM

not sure if this will work as I'm doing this on my mobile but here's A Elbereth Gilthoniel that I wrote. I think there's a couple of errors in there, but not many at all! Oh, and the borders from ms publisher, I can't draw! Lol!

Not gonna work! Will do it when I'm on the pc! Lol!

katya · 06-16-2010, 12:08 AM

Half a bottle of wine would get me smashed.

I am so tempted to start studying the elvish languages again. If only there weren't so many real world languages to work on that I will actually need.... At least Tengwar is a very finite amount of information to learn. I can justify spending time on that. (Ah, compared to trying to learn hundreds of kanji, it sounds so easy.)

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 07:54 AM

I know what you mean Katya! It is kind of pointless learning any fictional language, unless you know of others who can speak/write it too! (hence the creation of this post! lol) But I suppose you could just call it a hobby, and after all, it does sound/look great!

BTW! Does any-one know why the size limit on uploaded pictures is only 9.8KB??? I don't have ANYTHING that small! and if it is that small, it's tiny! lol!

katya · 06-16-2010, 01:17 PM

You can just upload pictures to somethings like flickr or photobucket and link it from there, or use imgur. Imgur is probably the quickest.

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:30 PM

Thanks Katya! Your an ellen! (star, I think!lol)

Used Flickr in the end! so here goes!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/...06ee568a_b.jpg

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:32 PM

SUCCESS!!!! Yippee

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:35 PM

I've also done - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/...6bdfeaa9_b.jpg

It's a poem I found online that I really liked! It reads-

I GÃºron.

I gÃºron cÃªn velethronen
Ias palan-revia pen rÃ¢d
Ai, ithil veren cenithach
Estel 'uren vi estolad.

ThÃ®r dÃ*n cenithach, thÃ®r dÃ*n vell
I anÃ*ron cened trÃ® chin
Limp a nÃ*niel ah rÃ*w garan,
DÃ¢n bannen ah calad sui lÃ*n.

Ten anno hiniath o nin.
Pedo gÃ»r hen dartha thenin
A mibo thÃ®r dÃ*n ah mipheleg
A tiro din, seron vell nÃ*n.

~~~~~~~~
Which means
~~~~~~~~

The Crescent Moon

The crescent moon sees my lover
Where he wanders far, pathless.
Ah, joyous moon, you will see
My heart's hope in an encampment.

His face you shall see, his dear face
That I desire to see through eyes
Wet and tearful with red borders,
But filled with a light like yours.

Give him news of me.
Say this heart stays true
And kiss his face with a little kiss
And watch over him, my dear lover.

Hirulin · 06-16-2010, 02:37 PM

Although I'm not too sure on the translation! It was written by some-one claiming to be "Luthien", english and sindarin, but I'm not sure how accuratly it's been translated, either way, it still looks and sounds good!

***RÃan*** · 06-17-2010, 01:39 AM

Here is part 1 of the wonderful thread we had on writing in Tengwar (English mode, so you don't have to learn a language and can start writing all you want to immediately!!). And here is part two of the thread, which I will also bump for you

***RÃan*** · 06-17-2010, 01:41 AM

*bumps thread*

Hirulin · 06-17-2010, 08:34 PM

Any-one wanna tengwar pen-pal? (I know it's kinda sad, but what the hell! lol!)

Sindarin mode, english words!

NdC

06-15-2010, 07:59 PM	#21
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I can't remember what it's called, but for example, "cat" would be spelled with a K first and then a T with the "a" over top of it. And phonetically, not like trying to spell things out. Like "school" would be "S-K-u/L" and not trying to figure out the "c" and "h" or writing two O's. We did a lot of playing around with S curves too, and also I think the special characters for "the" and "of". __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

06-15-2010, 08:08 PM	#22
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Sounds like the Sindarin/English mode! Although, I do tend to use ALL the symbols (inc. sh, ch, th, dh etc!) once you start using them, it becomes surprisingly easy to work out which symbols are needed for which dipthong! and double "o", I just attatch a line before the first "o" to denote a doubling (J.R.R did mention about doubling with consonants, but not [to my knowledge] about vowels!) I've made a "cheat sheet" any-ways so if I am feeling a little slow (or like now, drunk!!!) I can easily check which is needed! (sorry for being droll! Cherry's kicked in! lol! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-15-2010, 08:21 PM	#23
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Drunken posting! Oh my! Yes I use the ch, sh, (even dh!) too. __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

06-15-2010, 08:29 PM	#24
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	hehe! raises glass in a toast to tolkien If you feel like getting back into it hun, my e-mail is in my first post! Feel free, in fact, I'd welcome it! especially as we write in the same mode (as far as I can ascertain) does a little drunken jig around the room! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-15-2010, 09:04 PM	#25
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I've just downed a half a bottle of rose wine, so I'm feeling you, Hir! Welcome to the Moot, by the way. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

06-15-2010, 09:33 PM	#26
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Only half hun! tsk tsk tsk! get the rest drank! lol! My bottle of cherry is now empty! oh well! Off to the writing desk! Do you know the tengwar by the way? Oh, and Fanx for the welcome! I must admit, the people on Entmoot are a lot friendlier than those on the council of elrond! lol! Luv! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-15-2010, 09:55 PM	#27
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Oh, fear not, the first half had been drunk earlier! Alas, I fear I do not know the Tengwar. I know a few word stems in Quenya and in Sindarin, but that's the extent of my grasp of Tolkien's languages. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

06-15-2010, 10:33 PM	#29
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	I must admit that I used his course mainly for the writing side of things, although I do use it for reference regarding sindarin vocab! But even so, I enjoy a challenge. write me with sindarin words if you wish and I'll TRY to translate and write back! Lol! Again, email is in the first post in the thread. Write me anything you wish! Lol! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-15-2010, 10:42 PM	#30
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	not sure if this will work as I'm doing this on my mobile but here's A Elbereth Gilthoniel that I wrote. I think there's a couple of errors in there, but not many at all! Oh, and the borders from ms publisher, I can't draw! Lol! Not gonna work! Will do it when I'm on the pc! Lol! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 12:08 AM	#31
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Half a bottle of wine would get me smashed. I am so tempted to start studying the elvish languages again. If only there weren't so many real world languages to work on that I will actually need.... At least Tengwar is a very finite amount of information to learn. I can justify spending time on that. (Ah, compared to trying to learn hundreds of kanji, it sounds so easy.) __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

06-16-2010, 07:54 AM	#32
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	I know what you mean Katya! It is kind of pointless learning any fictional language, unless you know of others who can speak/write it too! (hence the creation of this post! lol) But I suppose you could just call it a hobby, and after all, it does sound/look great! BTW! Does any-one know why the size limit on uploaded pictures is only 9.8KB??? I don't have ANYTHING that small! and if it is that small, it's tiny! lol! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 01:17 PM	#33
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	You can just upload pictures to somethings like flickr or photobucket and link it from there, or use imgur. Imgur is probably the quickest. __________________ ~~eat until you can't anymore, play until you drop, sleep the day away, laugh, cry, yell, just live live live!~~

06-16-2010, 02:30 PM	#34
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Thanks Katya! Your an ellen! (star, I think!lol) Used Flickr in the end! so here goes! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/...06ee568a_b.jpg __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:32 PM	#35
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	SUCCESS!!!! Yippee __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:35 PM	#36
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	I've also done - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/...6bdfeaa9_b.jpg It's a poem I found online that I really liked! It reads- I GÃºron. I gÃºron cÃªn velethronen Ias palan-revia pen rÃ¢d Ai, ithil veren cenithach Estel 'uren vi estolad. ThÃ®r dÃn cenithach, thÃ®r dÃn vell I anÃron cened trÃ® chin Limp a nÃniel ah rÃw garan, DÃ¢n bannen ah calad sui lÃn. Ten anno hiniath o nin. Pedo gÃ»r hen dartha thenin A mibo thÃ®r dÃn ah mipheleg A tiro din, seron vell nÃn. ~~~~~~~~ Which means ~~~~~~~~ The Crescent Moon The crescent moon sees my lover Where he wanders far, pathless. Ah, joyous moon, you will see My heart's hope in an encampment. His face you shall see, his dear face That I desire to see through eyes Wet and tearful with red borders, But filled with a light like yours. Give him news of me. Say this heart stays true And kiss his face with a little kiss And watch over him, my dear lover. __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-16-2010, 02:37 PM	#37
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Although I'm not too sure on the translation! It was written by some-one claiming to be "Luthien", english and sindarin, but I'm not sure how accuratly it's been translated, either way, it still looks and sounds good! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

06-17-2010, 01:39 AM	#38
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Here is part 1 of the wonderful thread we had on writing in Tengwar (English mode, so you don't have to learn a language and can start writing all you want to immediately!!). And here is part two of the thread, which I will also bump for you __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 06-17-2010 at 01:40 AM.

06-17-2010, 01:41 AM	#39
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	bumps thread __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

06-17-2010, 08:34 PM	#40
Hirulin Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 40	Any-one wanna tengwar pen-pal? (I know it's kinda sad, but what the hell! lol!) Sindarin mode, english words! NdC __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatuluk, Ash Nazg Gimbatul, Ash Nazg Thrakatuluk, Ag Burzum-ishi Krimpatul.

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