Balrog Parts - Page 2

Starbreeze · 02-05-2002, 05:25 PM

I didn't see the horns - this is just me being unobservent.

Agburanar · 02-06-2002, 10:10 AM

The Balrog looked really unintelligent. For something of the same race as Gandalf he was a bit thick!

aldesign · 02-06-2002, 05:50 PM

i liked it when the Balrog roared, and his face turned from Flame-to stone, then it had red lava veins, then it turned back to black and flame again

that was a reall good bit of CGI.

Agburanar · 02-07-2002, 10:17 AM

Oh yeah, in terms of CGI it was great.

aldesign · 02-07-2002, 04:18 PM

gotta love CGI

LuthienTinuviel · 02-07-2002, 04:22 PM

oh.. haha by the time i got down to the typing part i knew what it meant..
Computer Generated Image im guessing?

jerseydevil · 02-07-2002, 05:04 PM

Aldesign -

If ur thinking about the whiteness in his mouth when he roared - that was white hot fire IMO.

Even though there may be disagreements with what a Balrog looked like - it was the BEST thing in the movie.

Legolas_BowKing · 02-10-2002, 02:15 AM

He was a very Horny creature ha ha ha

LuthienTinuviel · 02-10-2002, 11:05 AM

i guess i'll have to look for the horns today.
i get to go see it again!
ive lost track how many times i saw it..
oh well.

what does IMO mean?

Hapira_Brandybuck · 02-10-2002, 11:30 AM

even though I can't really see it in my head, I guess since Tolkien described it as such, then it has wings

IMO = In my opinion
INHO in my humble/hobbitish opinion

Comic Book Guy · 02-10-2002, 12:50 PM

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even though I can't really see it in my head, I guess since Tolkien described it as such, then it has wings

Sigh, Tolkien did not describe wings, it had shadow wings, not physical wings, which was described before the infamous "...Wings spread from wall to wall" statement.

Laurelyn · 02-10-2002, 01:58 PM

Not the Balrog wings issue again . . .
In the movie, as well, the balrog didn't have definitive wings. But it definitely had horns.

Gerbil · 02-13-2002, 07:10 AM

Let's not forget that Tolkien merged a lot of standard mythology and religious features (although his work is NOT religious) into his own works.
That the balrogs are physically and theoretically Tolkien's version of the Devil doesn't suprise me at all - although what I think is nice is that there are many of them and although they are rock ard, they are ultimately not the greatest evil there is

As for the wings, in the long distance shot of him walking towards Gandalf and the bridge they do stretch from wall to wall. Perhaps you simply wish the walls were further apart

Not seeing them to start with - wings are often folded up on creatures, otherwise it makes moving through smaller areas more tricky.
And finally, I doubt the wings ever enabled Balrogs to fly - let's not forget that Balrogs chose a form designed to cause pant-wetting, one aspect of which is simply to look hyoooooge. Wings add to the feeling of physical size. Hence also the shadow and flame - two things people traditionally aren't very happy with.

What interests me now is that several (there were about seven Balrogs in total right?) Maiar chose the same form. From this I would guess that although they chose the same form, they were NOT identical. I'd think that each Balrog would have subtle (or otherwise) differences. Possibly some didn't have horns. Or wings. Or whatever

coolismo · 02-13-2002, 10:34 AM

See the Balrog complete with wings and looking like a Beast Wars creation
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/lotr/lotr_toyfair02.html

Arathorn · 02-13-2002, 10:42 AM

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designed to cause pant-wetting

There's a description I don't hear everyday

But seriously, I like how Prof T leaves us with descriptions that leave enough (neither too little nor too much) to the imagination. They get caught in our minds because they are fantastic, yet linger on because they are left unanswered.

I must admit, though, that the balrog in the film did some pretty good posing (Run menacingly at the camera, ooh maybe I should show my biceps more, here's a ROARRR!!! , hope they got that. Turn and show the wings for half the fans, now turn again and make them fade like shadows for the other half...ooh..ooh..yeah Am I bad or am I BAD!).

LuthienTinuviel · 04-05-2002, 08:20 PM

i probably should read the whole post before i reply, but all this back and forth is getting to me
*twitch
i saw the movie again last night for the trailer. it DOES have horns and wings.
i saw it with my own eyes, i didn't think it did, but their there, plain as ever.

Elf Girl · 04-05-2002, 09:11 PM

Balrogs do NOT have wings!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I have strong opinions.

LuthienTinuviel · 04-05-2002, 09:14 PM

the MOVIE balrog has wings

edit: why else would the toy from the movie sport them fancy flying tools, eh?

Elf Girl · 04-05-2002, 09:33 PM

I don't heed the movie things. The REAL balrog has no wings.

LuthienTinuviel · 04-05-2002, 11:40 PM

whatever floats your boat, be it wings or water

really, i didn't ever imagine the balrog, i accidentally skipped from the middle of the council of elrond to the second chapter of the next book, ttt, when i first read it.... so the movie image seems to stick in my mind.. but now that i have read that a few times over, in context, the movie one seemed a biit dumb to be a demon of the old times, didn't it?

02-05-2002, 05:25 PM	#21
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02-07-2002, 04:22 PM	#26
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02-10-2002, 11:05 AM	#29
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i guess i'll have to look for the horns today. i get to go see it again! ive lost track how many times i saw it.. oh well. what does IMO mean? __________________

02-10-2002, 11:30 AM	#30
Hapira_Brandybuck Enting Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NW IN Posts: 75	even though I can't really see it in my head, I guess since Tolkien described it as such, then it has wings IMO = In my opinion INHO in my humble/hobbitish opinion __________________ -Hapira Brandybuck 'My dear Frodo!' exclaimed Gandalf. 'Hobbits really are amazing creatures, as I have said before. You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years they can still surprise you at a pinch.

02-06-2002, 10:10 AM	#22
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	The Balrog looked really unintelligent. For something of the same race as Gandalf he was a bit thick!

02-06-2002, 05:50 PM	#23
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	i liked it when the Balrog roared, and his face turned from Flame-to stone, then it had red lava veins, then it turned back to black and flame again that was a reall good bit of CGI.

02-07-2002, 10:17 AM	#24
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Oh yeah, in terms of CGI it was great.

02-07-2002, 04:18 PM	#25
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	gotta love CGI

02-10-2002, 02:15 AM	#28
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	He was a very Horny creature ha ha ha

02-10-2002, 01:58 PM	#32
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	Not the Balrog wings issue again . . . In the movie, as well, the balrog didn't have definitive wings. But it definitely had horns. __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

02-13-2002, 07:10 AM	#33
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Let's not forget that Tolkien merged a lot of standard mythology and religious features (although his work is NOT religious) into his own works. That the balrogs are physically and theoretically Tolkien's version of the Devil doesn't suprise me at all - although what I think is nice is that there are many of them and although they are rock ard, they are ultimately not the greatest evil there is As for the wings, in the long distance shot of him walking towards Gandalf and the bridge they do stretch from wall to wall. Perhaps you simply wish the walls were further apart Not seeing them to start with - wings are often folded up on creatures, otherwise it makes moving through smaller areas more tricky. And finally, I doubt the wings ever enabled Balrogs to fly - let's not forget that Balrogs chose a form designed to cause pant-wetting, one aspect of which is simply to look hyoooooge. Wings add to the feeling of physical size. Hence also the shadow and flame - two things people traditionally aren't very happy with. What interests me now is that several (there were about seven Balrogs in total right?) Maiar chose the same form. From this I would guess that although they chose the same form, they were NOT identical. I'd think that each Balrog would have subtle (or otherwise) differences. Possibly some didn't have horns. Or wings. Or whatever __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

02-13-2002, 10:34 AM	#34
coolismo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: south england Posts: 93	See the Balrog complete with wings and looking like a Beast Wars creation http://www.sideshowtoy.com/lotr/lotr_toyfair02.html

04-05-2002, 08:20 PM	#36
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i probably should read the whole post before i reply, but all this back and forth is getting to me *twitch i saw the movie again last night for the trailer. it DOES have horns and wings. i saw it with my own eyes, i didn't think it did, but their there, plain as ever. __________________

04-05-2002, 09:11 PM	#37
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Balrogs do NOT have wings!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I have strong opinions. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-05-2002, 09:14 PM	#38
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	the MOVIE balrog has wings edit: why else would the toy from the movie sport them fancy flying tools, eh? __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 04-05-2002 at 09:16 PM.

04-05-2002, 09:33 PM	#39
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I don't heed the movie things. The REAL balrog has no wings. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-05-2002, 11:40 PM	#40
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	whatever floats your boat, be it wings or water really, i didn't ever imagine the balrog, i accidentally skipped from the middle of the council of elrond to the second chapter of the next book, ttt, when i first read it.... so the movie image seems to stick in my mind.. but now that i have read that a few times over, in context, the movie one seemed a biit dumb to be a demon of the old times, didn't it? __________________

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