Writing using Tengwar characters - Page 11

katya · 10-17-2002, 09:46 PM

Sminty that is very cool. i love it! hmm... mouse...

TinuvielChild- i know what you mean about evil teachers! i am always writing things like, "I hate biology and Mr. St. Onge is a stupid pirate" (long story)

***RÃan*** · 10-17-2002, 10:33 PM

katya - can you tell us what coast you're on (if that's ok, or more detail if that's ok, too) - so we can figure out if Kansas is the best place to meet up at a Starbucks and try our leaving-out-Tengwar-notes plan? (just kidding!) (see 10/16 posts about locations and Starbucks!)

Sminty - really nice! You have an 'L' and a "Z" in your name - 2 nice characters! My entmoot name and my real name (Sharon) don't come out very well - one looks like "yim" and the other like "dym" - oh well...

EÃ¤rniel - wow, learning English and Quenya Tengwar at the same time - my poor brain hurts just thinking of it! Sorry you have to stand up so much on the bus - yuck!

TC - I wrote out something from the Sil in honor of your finishing it, and I'll try to get it on later tonight or tomorrow. Congrats!

***RÃan*** · 10-18-2002, 01:05 PM

OK, I got an idea for those of us with irritating keyboards that won't type the special characters - I'm going to type all the special characters here and then put them in my sig so they are ready to cut and paste *sigh, stupid keyboard!*

Ã‘ Ã¡ Ã« Ã* Ã³ Ãº Ã© Ã¤ Ã¯ Ã¶ Ã– Ã± Ã‰

TinuvielChild · 10-18-2002, 02:36 PM

Yeah! Go RÃ*an!

Oh, and I have successfully corrupted 3 more people with Tengwar (and Entmoot, too!) by putting some purty Tengwar calligraphy on the front of my binder! Heeheehee...

katya · 10-18-2002, 04:51 PM

i am not on a coast. i live in th
e midwest, or so they say. in michigan.

***RÃan*** · 10-18-2002, 07:00 PM

ok, thanks, katya! I won't look for your posts if I'm up late at night, 'cuz you are probably asleep. Wow, we need some more West Coast Tengwar converts!

OK, here's something I did quick at soccer practice - I didn't really like the pen, it was too thick, but it was all I had. It is from the Sil, in honor of TC, who just finished it. See if you can tell me where it's from.... and I hope I crossed all my b's and p's and w's!

'bye everyone, I'm off camping this weekend - see you (hopefully) Sunday night!

***RÃan*** · 10-21-2002, 12:19 AM

Did anyone discover where this quote was from? (and more importantly, did I cross all my b's, p's and w's?

)

TinuvielChild · 10-21-2002, 09:44 PM

*checks for crossed b's, p's, and w's* Yeah, it looks like you did....

"Softly in the gloom they heard the birds singing afar in Nargothrond, the sighing of the sea beyond, beyond the western world, in sand, in sand of pearls in Elvenland."

Although, in the line "...the sighing of the sea beyond...", you used 'of' and 'the' separately, though there is a character for the phrase 'of the'. It's the 'of' symbol (a 'b' with an extended stem) with another line beneath it. I love your capital tengwar! They are so pretty!

Menelvagor · 10-21-2002, 10:47 PM

Oooh, very pretty RÃ*an!

***RÃan*** · 10-22-2002, 12:51 AM

Thanks, TC and Menelvagor

Oh shoot, I totally forgot, TC! (TC wrote - "you used 'of' and 'the' separately, though there is a character for the phrase 'of the'. ") You're right!

Oh, and here's where I got it from, if you are tired of hunting for it:

From the Sil, chpt. 19, "Of Beren and LÃºthien", where Finrod Felagund fought with Sauron - the poem starting with "He chanted a song of wizardry".

I thought it was really pretty imagery. (but so sad...)

***RÃan*** · 10-22-2002, 01:16 AM

Oh, Menelvagor, your mailbox is full, I can't answer the PM. Silly irritating mailbox

Be sure to clean out the copies of things you have sent - that's what I finally figured out has to be done. It saves everything that you send until you delete it, so your mailbox gets full.

Anyway, here's what I wrote:

Yes, that's exactly how I feel - it's less of a "show piece"! It kinda looks "real". (Menelvagor and I both like the look of regular pens)

I go off and on writing Tengwar. I'll skip for a few weeks, then write several times a day. Mostly bits and pieces while waiting in the car, etc. I started the journal during a bit of a difficult time a few months ago and wrote daily, but now I maybe write once or twice a week, then skip a week, etc. I write pretty quickly now, almost as fast as I would neatly print something (with occasional pauses for the 1 or 2 letters I still have trouble with!). My problem is I can't read it back fast. I pretty much have to read it letter by letter, except for short words like "to" or "are". Can you read it at all quickly? Anyway, most of my pleasure comes from the actual writing and the way it looks, not the reading back, so I can doodle just about anything and enjoy it. How about you?

(and how about the rest of you guys, too - can you read back quickly? I sure can't!)

katya · 10-22-2002, 07:33 AM

I can read my own fairly quickly especially if i know what i wrote about. Not as fast as i can write though

TinuvielChild · 10-22-2002, 05:21 PM

I can actually write faster than I can read. Eh, well.

Menelvagor · 10-23-2002, 12:27 AM

Sorry, just cleared out my inbox.

That's about how I write, too. I can write much faster than I can read, but that's the fun part anyway.

***RÃan*** · 10-25-2002, 09:04 PM

Whee! Here it is, post #500! And I'll put it in my favorite thread - Writing in Tengwar!

I've absolutely loved "talking Tengwar" with you guys! It's been so enjoyable. Thanks! And I hope you have some more samples for me to see soon! It's so fun to see other people's Tengwar and be able to read it

Ms. Undomial · 10-29-2002, 01:25 PM

Hello Tengwar writing-lord of the rings loving- People! I want to learn Tengwar but I don't like lessons. can someone please give me the alphabet? thank you!!

~*Ms. Undomial*~

***RÃan*** · 10-29-2002, 01:31 PM

Hi Ms. Undomial! I'm so glad you're here - and people, she's from Southern California, just like me!!! yay!!!

Here's a repost of my favorite links:

passagen

and imaginet

The table from the first site was useful, but still confusing because it used some phoenetic symbology that I didn't understand. I made a copy of it, 'cause I liked the format and a lot of the info on it, then added notes from the info in the second site, which gave examples for each letter ("T" as in "TIE", etc). Then just straight memorization until I got to where I could write without referring to the table. (actually, I found I could memorize them in similar-sounding groups, but no time to explain now, I'll try later). Good Luck! Keep us posted.

Ms. Undomial · 10-29-2002, 01:37 PM

Rian- I have already seen those sites. I am just looking for the alphabet. they don't have the whole alphabet on those sites.

~*Ms. Undomial*~

***RÃan*** · 10-29-2002, 02:00 PM

Do you mean like "a is this, b is this", etc? Because it's not a straight, one-to-one mapping. The vowels are written as marks over the consonants, there is no symbol for "c" (you use either the "s" or the "k" symbol, whichever sound is appropriate - i.e., "circus" would be "sirkus" - note the two "c" sounds are different).

If that's what you mean (let me know), then I'll try to get back to you soon with a little map. However, if you read the links, the symbols are placed that way on purpose - they are grouped in terms of how the sounds are formed - i.e., those made with touching lips together have a closed bow element, etc. Really fasciniating for me; maybe not for you, though! And that's why they can be used for ANY language. Try giving the links a quick read-thru, though, you might find it interesting. I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

Ms. Undomial · 10-29-2002, 02:05 PM

yes Rian that is what i mean. I did read the sites and i am working on memorizing them, but they don't have all the letters of the alphabet(that I saw).

10-17-2002, 10:33 PM	#202
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	katya - can you tell us what coast you're on (if that's ok, or more detail if that's ok, too) - so we can figure out if Kansas is the best place to meet up at a Starbucks and try our leaving-out-Tengwar-notes plan? (just kidding!) (see 10/16 posts about locations and Starbucks!) Sminty - really nice! You have an 'L' and a "Z" in your name - 2 nice characters! My entmoot name and my real name (Sharon) don't come out very well - one looks like "yim" and the other like "dym" - oh well... EÃ¤rniel - wow, learning English and Quenya Tengwar at the same time - my poor brain hurts just thinking of it! Sorry you have to stand up so much on the bus - yuck! TC - I wrote out something from the Sil in honor of your finishing it, and I'll try to get it on later tonight or tomorrow. Congrats! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-18-2002, 01:05 PM	#203
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	OK, I got an idea for those of us with irritating keyboards that won't type the special characters - I'm going to type all the special characters here and then put them in my sig so they are ready to cut and paste sigh, stupid keyboard! Ã‘ Ã¡ Ã« Ã* Ã³ Ãº Ã© Ã¤ Ã¯ Ã¶ Ã– Ã± Ã‰ __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 10-18-2002 at 01:10 PM.

10-18-2002, 02:36 PM	#204
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Yeah! Go RÃan! Oh, and I have successfully corrupted 3 more people with Tengwar (and Entmoot, too!) by putting some purty Tengwar calligraphy on the front of my binder! Heeheehee... __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!*

10-18-2002, 04:51 PM	#205
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	i am not on a coast. i live in th e midwest, or so they say. in michigan. Last edited by katya : 10-19-2002 at 11:00 AM.

10-21-2002, 12:19 AM	#207
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Did anyone discover where this quote was from? (and more importantly, did I cross all my b's, p's and w's? ) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-17-2002, 09:46 PM	#201
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Sminty that is very cool. i love it! hmm... mouse... TinuvielChild- i know what you mean about evil teachers! i am always writing things like, "I hate biology and Mr. St. Onge is a stupid pirate" (long story)

10-21-2002, 10:47 PM	#209
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Oooh, very pretty RÃ*an!

10-22-2002, 01:16 AM	#211
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Oh, Menelvagor, your mailbox is full, I can't answer the PM. Silly irritating mailbox Be sure to clean out the copies of things you have sent - that's what I finally figured out has to be done. It saves everything that you send until you delete it, so your mailbox gets full. Anyway, here's what I wrote: Yes, that's exactly how I feel - it's less of a "show piece"! It kinda looks "real". (Menelvagor and I both like the look of regular pens) I go off and on writing Tengwar. I'll skip for a few weeks, then write several times a day. Mostly bits and pieces while waiting in the car, etc. I started the journal during a bit of a difficult time a few months ago and wrote daily, but now I maybe write once or twice a week, then skip a week, etc. I write pretty quickly now, almost as fast as I would neatly print something (with occasional pauses for the 1 or 2 letters I still have trouble with!). My problem is I can't read it back fast. I pretty much have to read it letter by letter, except for short words like "to" or "are". Can you read it at all quickly? Anyway, most of my pleasure comes from the actual writing and the way it looks, not the reading back, so I can doodle just about anything and enjoy it. How about you? (and how about the rest of you guys, too - can you read back quickly? I sure can't!) __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 10-22-2002 at 01:19 AM.

10-22-2002, 07:33 AM	#212
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I can read my own fairly quickly especially if i know what i wrote about. Not as fast as i can write though

10-22-2002, 05:21 PM	#213
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	I can actually write faster than I can read. Eh, well. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

10-23-2002, 12:27 AM	#214
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Sorry, just cleared out my inbox. That's about how I write, too. I can write much faster than I can read, but that's the fun part anyway.

10-25-2002, 09:04 PM	#215
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Whee! Here it is, post #500! And I'll put it in my favorite thread - Writing in Tengwar! I've absolutely loved "talking Tengwar" with you guys! It's been so enjoyable. Thanks! And I hope you have some more samples for me to see soon! It's so fun to see other people's Tengwar and be able to read it __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-29-2002, 01:25 PM	#216
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	Hello Tengwar writing-lord of the rings loving- People! I want to learn Tengwar but I don't like lessons. can someone please give me the alphabet? thank you!! ~Ms. Undomial~ __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

10-29-2002, 01:31 PM	#217
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Hi Ms. Undomial! I'm so glad you're here - and people, she's from Southern California, just like me!!! yay!!! Here's a repost of my favorite links: passagen and imaginet The table from the first site was useful, but still confusing because it used some phoenetic symbology that I didn't understand. I made a copy of it, 'cause I liked the format and a lot of the info on it, then added notes from the info in the second site, which gave examples for each letter ("T" as in "TIE", etc). Then just straight memorization until I got to where I could write without referring to the table. (actually, I found I could memorize them in similar-sounding groups, but no time to explain now, I'll try later). Good Luck! Keep us posted. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-29-2002, 01:37 PM	#218
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	Rian- I have already seen those sites. I am just looking for the alphabet. they don't have the whole alphabet on those sites. ~Ms. Undomial~ __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

10-29-2002, 02:00 PM	#219
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Do you mean like "a is this, b is this", etc? Because it's not a straight, one-to-one mapping. The vowels are written as marks over the consonants, there is no symbol for "c" (you use either the "s" or the "k" symbol, whichever sound is appropriate - i.e., "circus" would be "sirkus" - note the two "c" sounds are different). If that's what you mean (let me know), then I'll try to get back to you soon with a little map. However, if you read the links, the symbols are placed that way on purpose - they are grouped in terms of how the sounds are formed - i.e., those made with touching lips together have a closed bow element, etc. Really fasciniating for me; maybe not for you, though! And that's why they can be used for ANY language. Try giving the links a quick read-thru, though, you might find it interesting. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-29-2002, 02:05 PM	#220
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	yes Rian that is what i mean. I did read the sites and i am working on memorizing them, but they don't have all the letters of the alphabet(that I saw). __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. - Dune

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