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Menelvagor · 05-09-2002, 07:54 AM

Thanks for the encouragement Renille, I'm looking forward to World Hist next year (10th grade). Guess what I have this year? American history.

afro-elf · 05-09-2002, 08:51 AM

azalea says:That's not what I heard.

concerning joans battle skills

as for joan :

"Most of the time in battle, she carried her standard and was a non-combatant. She did not want to kill anyone. Her job was to lead, guide, and direct them."

however she did reportedly kill one person supposedly a knight

some other stuff on joany

According to the Duke of Alençon, Joan's sword was destroyed in Saint Denis, when she lanced it through the back of a prostitute, most probably after the failed attack on Paris. It seems that Joan was in the habit of stiking her sword across the backs of any prostitutes that she would come across; such incidents being reported in Auxerre by Jean Chartier and this page, Louis de Coutes for the stage of Chateau Thierry. Charles VII showed himself to be most displeased upon hearing that the sword had been destroyed, as amongst Joan's companion, the sword was reputed as a somewhat magical weapon, and therefore its' destruction was seen as a bad omen. We have no clue as to what became of the broken pieces.

the samurai would probably be at a dis advantange. The samarai were into the one strike one kill scenaro. their swords had sharp edges but where not really made to go against armor and shields. Also samurai armor was would not be overly affective against the heaver euro weapons

there is a palce called sword forum international that discusses this however at this time they are revamping the site so the article are temporarly of line

ladyisme · 05-09-2002, 11:48 AM

First off I'm incline to agree with BeardofPants about Hannibal. True he did very well as long as he was on the attack but in LOTR the good guys are fighting defence whitch just isn't Hannibal's stongest point.

Second I would like to say that taking a run of American History courses is better than what I had to put up with, year after year of the Aztecs and the Incas. So cheer up it could have been worse.

Finally I would have to go with Alexander the Great or Richard the Lion Heart (Richard would probably be more acustume to the style of warfare in LOTR).

Quote:

"The road goes ever on and on down from the door where it began."

Elfhelm · 05-09-2002, 02:29 PM

Alexander Nevsky - that way the soundtrack is already recorded.

Wulažg · 05-09-2002, 04:03 PM

I'd probably go for some of the better Celtic generals around Roman times, either that or William Wallace. He was an inspirationaal force and he could fight. lus he was used to that type of fighting already(defending against vastly superior forces)

**crickhollow** · 05-09-2002, 10:08 PM

fifteenth century (I think that's right) Turks. There's a fierce fighting force for you. (that's a lot of f's)

afro-elf · 05-10-2002, 06:30 AM

weren't their shock troopers at that that time the Jainiseries (sp)

***Khamûl*** · 05-10-2002, 11:21 PM

Why would we have to take someone from the pre-gunpowder era? What's wrong with Robert E. Lee? He was probably the most brilliant strategist of his time. Does the fact that his armies had guns diminish his leadership and commanding abilities? Or does the pre-gunpowder thing mean that since they didn't have it in Middle Earth, you would want someone who was familiar with their fighting style?

Twilight · 05-11-2002, 11:32 AM

I would go with Hannibal. He used really good military tactics. He was alone behind enemy lines with no supplies or support. He caused a whole lot of damage while he lasted. He would be my choise for general in middle earth. He would problably find a way over the mountains into mordor and sack baradur, or at least cause a really good diversion so the ring could get through.

Radagast · 05-16-2002, 12:45 PM

Well surely an English general would be the best choice? The British Empire was the largest empire the world had ever seen and we were the smallest country ever to have an Empire.
So I sall choose hmm, so hard, so many brilliant English tacticians...
EITHER
Lord Howard of Effingham (Led the English Forces to defeat the Spanish Armada)
or the Duke of Wellington.

afro-elf · 05-16-2002, 02:35 PM

Sorry radaghast but the thread is SPECIFICALLY pre-gun powder

ladyisme · 05-18-2002, 02:22 PM

As it happens, I shared this topic with my mother (who has not only read LOTR but is also a history fan) and her choice was Henry the 5th. Who defeated the French nobility (a force that was suposedly unbeatable) useing mainly archers armed with the longbow.

Quote:

"The road goes ever on and on down from the door where it began."

05-09-2002, 08:51 AM	#22
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	azalea says:That's not what I heard. concerning joans battle skills as for joan : "Most of the time in battle, she carried her standard and was a non-combatant. She did not want to kill anyone. Her job was to lead, guide, and direct them." however she did reportedly kill one person supposedly a knight some other stuff on joany According to the Duke of Alençon, Joan's sword was destroyed in Saint Denis, when she lanced it through the back of a prostitute, most probably after the failed attack on Paris. It seems that Joan was in the habit of stiking her sword across the backs of any prostitutes that she would come across; such incidents being reported in Auxerre by Jean Chartier and this page, Louis de Coutes for the stage of Chateau Thierry. Charles VII showed himself to be most displeased upon hearing that the sword had been destroyed, as amongst Joan's companion, the sword was reputed as a somewhat magical weapon, and therefore its' destruction was seen as a bad omen. We have no clue as to what became of the broken pieces. the samurai would probably be at a dis advantange. The samarai were into the one strike one kill scenaro. their swords had sharp edges but where not really made to go against armor and shields. Also samurai armor was would not be overly affective against the heaver euro weapons there is a palce called sword forum international that discusses this however at this time they are revamping the site so the article are temporarly of line __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-09-2002, 02:29 PM	#24
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Alexander Nevsky - that way the soundtrack is already recorded. __________________ cya

05-09-2002, 04:03 PM	#25
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	I'd probably go for some of the better Celtic generals around Roman times, either that or William Wallace. He was an inspirationaal force and he could fight. lus he was used to that type of fighting already(defending against vastly superior forces) __________________ FRODO LIVES!! EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO rule the world!

05-09-2002, 10:08 PM	#26
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	fifteenth century (I think that's right) Turks. There's a fierce fighting force for you. (that's a lot of f's) __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

05-10-2002, 06:30 AM	#27
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	weren't their shock troopers at that that time the Jainiseries (sp) __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

05-09-2002, 07:54 AM	#21
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Thanks for the encouragement Renille, I'm looking forward to World Hist next year (10th grade). Guess what I have this year? American history.

05-10-2002, 11:21 PM	#28
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Why would we have to take someone from the pre-gunpowder era? What's wrong with Robert E. Lee? He was probably the most brilliant strategist of his time. Does the fact that his armies had guns diminish his leadership and commanding abilities? Or does the pre-gunpowder thing mean that since they didn't have it in Middle Earth, you would want someone who was familiar with their fighting style? __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

05-11-2002, 11:32 AM	#29
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I would go with Hannibal. He used really good military tactics. He was alone behind enemy lines with no supplies or support. He caused a whole lot of damage while he lasted. He would be my choise for general in middle earth. He would problably find a way over the mountains into mordor and sack baradur, or at least cause a really good diversion so the ring could get through. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

05-16-2002, 12:45 PM	#30
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	Well surely an English general would be the best choice? The British Empire was the largest empire the world had ever seen and we were the smallest country ever to have an Empire. So I sall choose hmm, so hard, so many brilliant English tacticians... EITHER Lord Howard of Effingham (Led the English Forces to defeat the Spanish Armada) or the Duke of Wellington. __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

05-16-2002, 02:35 PM	#31
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Sorry radaghast but the thread is SPECIFICALLY pre-gun powder __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

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