Question on Qui-Gon-Jin

Arathorn · 04-28-2002, 09:23 AM

My friend asked me this question a few days ago and I couldn't think of a good explanation:

"Why didn't Qui-Gon-Jin fade like the other Jedi in the first 3 films (Obi-Wan, Yoda)?"

Any ideas? Thanks.

afro-elf · 04-28-2002, 09:52 AM

this as been brought of on other sites

it is SUPPOSED to be answer in episode II

Arathorn · 04-28-2002, 11:53 AM

Thanks A-E! I'll email my friend.

***anduin*** · 04-28-2002, 12:57 PM

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that little tidbit of information. Now I can't remember what was the general concensus. Anyone remember any of the theories that were floating around?

Dang....can't believe that it is time for SW again!

***Khamûl*** · 04-29-2002, 06:25 PM

Interesting question. I have never thought about that before. I'll think about it and get back to you.

***azalea*** · 04-30-2002, 08:36 AM

I haven't read the books, but maybe this has something to do with it: Qui-Gon was killed while fighting. Remember how Obi-Wan held up his sword and it looked like he just let Darth Vader kill him? And if I remember Yoda died of old age. I can't really think of why this would be, but it's just what I thought when I saw Episode I and I noticed that same thing. It seemed that Yoda and Obi-Wan had some element of control at their deaths.

Arathorn · 04-30-2002, 10:36 AM

That never occured to me. I'll tell my friend.

***Khamûl*** · 04-30-2002, 10:01 PM

That sounds good to me. I guess it is because both Obi-Wan and Yoda had prepared themselves for what was going to happen. I guess that Qui-Gon died unexpectedly. Another question that I thought about: why didn't Darth Vader fade? Even though he was a Sith, he used to be a Jedi. Maybe George Lucas has lost a screw or two.

***anduin*** · 05-01-2002, 12:18 AM

I seem to remember something about Yoda teaching them (Qui and Obi) how to do it. It has been awhile since people speculated on this, so I don't remember.

Arathorn · 05-01-2002, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Khamûl
That sounds good to me. I guess it is because both Obi-Wan and Yoda had prepared themselves for what was going to happen. I guess that Qui-Gon died unexpectedly. Another question that I thought about: why didn't Darth Vader fade? Even though he was a Sith, he used to be a Jedi. Maybe George Lucas has lost a screw or two.

In Vader's case, I thnk it is because his body was already mostly machine; which could not fade. His life essence went back to the celebration with his mentors in the last scenes.

Anduin,
I don't recall whethere that scene was shown. Is it in the books? I'm just not as excited about reading books which have been adapted from screenplays as the other way around.

***azalea*** · 05-01-2002, 08:45 AM

Not sure about this, but maybe Vader didn't know how (even if he could have, but I don't think he could because he was on the Dark Side), because when Obi-Wan did it, he seemed startled (poking the robes as if to say "where did he go?").

Strange-Looking Lurker · 05-01-2002, 05:31 PM

Vader did disappear. It was just his clothes and man-made stuff that Luke burned.

***anduin*** · 05-01-2002, 09:06 PM

Quote:

I don't recall whethere that scene was shown. Is it in the books? I'm just not as excited about reading books which have been adapted from screenplays as the other way around.

Nah, it wasn't in a book or any of the films, just something that was tossed around the net after TPM came out. This discussion is one of the oldest there is.

***Khamûl*** · 05-01-2002, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Strange-Looking Lurker
Vader did disappear. It was just his clothes and man-made stuff that Luke burned.

How do you know? I don't remember anything like that happening. But, then again, it has been a while since I've seen the movie.

Wayfarer · 05-02-2002, 09:40 PM

The jedi (some jedi) become 'one with the force' when they die. That's how Obi-Wan and yoda could do the ghosty thing.

I don't know. For plot reasons maybe?

***azalea*** · 05-03-2002, 09:02 AM

Well, I watched Return of the Jedi ast night on Fox and I did NOT see Vader fade when he died, but at the end Luke sees him (as Anniken) with Obi-Wan and Yoda, all in their ghostly forms.

04-28-2002, 09:23 AM	#1
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Question on Qui-Gon-Jin My friend asked me this question a few days ago and I couldn't think of a good explanation: "Why didn't Qui-Gon-Jin fade like the other Jedi in the first 3 films (Obi-Wan, Yoda)?" Any ideas? Thanks. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-28-2002, 09:52 AM	#2
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	this as been brought of on other sites it is SUPPOSED to be answer in episode II __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-28-2002, 11:53 AM	#3
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Thanks A-E! I'll email my friend. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-29-2002, 06:25 PM	#5
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Interesting question. I have never thought about that before. I'll think about it and get back to you. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

04-30-2002, 10:36 AM	#7
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	thanks azalea! That never occured to me. I'll tell my friend. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-28-2002, 12:57 PM	#4
*anduin* Entwife Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: louisville Posts: 3,718	Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that little tidbit of information. Now I can't remember what was the general concensus. Anyone remember any of the theories that were floating around? Dang....can't believe that it is time for SW again!

04-30-2002, 08:36 AM	#6
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I haven't read the books, but maybe this has something to do with it: Qui-Gon was killed while fighting. Remember how Obi-Wan held up his sword and it looked like he just let Darth Vader kill him? And if I remember Yoda died of old age. I can't really think of why this would be, but it's just what I thought when I saw Episode I and I noticed that same thing. It seemed that Yoda and Obi-Wan had some element of control at their deaths.

04-30-2002, 10:01 PM	#8
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	That sounds good to me. I guess it is because both Obi-Wan and Yoda had prepared themselves for what was going to happen. I guess that Qui-Gon died unexpectedly. Another question that I thought about: why didn't Darth Vader fade? Even though he was a Sith, he used to be a Jedi. Maybe George Lucas has lost a screw or two. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

05-01-2002, 12:18 AM	#9
*anduin* Entwife Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: louisville Posts: 3,718	I seem to remember something about Yoda teaching them (Qui and Obi) how to do it. It has been awhile since people speculated on this, so I don't remember.

05-01-2002, 08:45 AM	#11
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Not sure about this, but maybe Vader didn't know how (even if he could have, but I don't think he could because he was on the Dark Side), because when Obi-Wan did it, he seemed startled (poking the robes as if to say "where did he go?").

05-01-2002, 05:31 PM	#12
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Vader did disappear. It was just his clothes and man-made stuff that Luke burned. __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

05-02-2002, 09:40 PM	#15
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	The jedi (some jedi) become 'one with the force' when they die. That's how Obi-Wan and yoda could do the ghosty thing. I don't know. For plot reasons maybe? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

05-03-2002, 09:02 AM	#16
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Well, I watched Return of the Jedi ast night on Fox and I did NOT see Vader fade when he died, but at the end Luke sees him (as Anniken) with Obi-Wan and Yoda, all in their ghostly forms.

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