the original breaking of the fellowship - Page 3

Elfhelm · 04-10-2002, 12:39 PM

I think Tolkien was well aware of certain numerological meanings because he liked so many medieval things. And certain numbers like 3, 7 and 9 are particularly strong. I wish I could find a good reference on it, but I think 9 stands for completion or wholeness. I may come back later with a link for traditional numerology. Not that I go for it, but some other writers, like Shakespeare, also employ the device.

Dwarven Sen · 04-11-2002, 04:57 AM

3 is supposed to be the main number of the occult, and witchcraft, and magic. perhaps the elven rings are more powerful because they are three. if you are with people you dont trust ,you should go around in a three because two will always watch the other one.
7 is my lucky number, as is 13.

***azalea*** · 04-11-2002, 09:13 PM

3 is also used in most fairy tales as the magic number; there are usually 3 wishes, 3 sons, 3 tasks in a quest. It not only had to do w/ the Trinity, but also the triangle has some very special and unique mathematical properties (don't ask me what they are I can't remember

), so that may be a reason, too.
Likewise for the number 7, though to a lesser extent. I don't think the septagon (or heptagon, whatever) has any special properties besides being hard to draw!

Dwarven Sen · 04-12-2002, 07:41 AM

7 was consiered evil because it is a prime number and 3 was holy but because of the wichcraft tension (not helped by shakespears macbeth) was considered bad and polluted

***azalea*** · 04-13-2002, 09:03 AM

Then of course 9 is three 3s, so there you go!

Dwarven Sen · 04-16-2002, 08:20 AM

Indeed, but the point of this thread was actually supposed to be how time has looped, and patterns evolve, which gets us back onto the illuvatar conversation on the other thread.

04-10-2002, 12:39 PM	#41
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	I think Tolkien was well aware of certain numerological meanings because he liked so many medieval things. And certain numbers like 3, 7 and 9 are particularly strong. I wish I could find a good reference on it, but I think 9 stands for completion or wholeness. I may come back later with a link for traditional numerology. Not that I go for it, but some other writers, like Shakespeare, also employ the device. __________________ cya

04-11-2002, 04:57 AM	#42
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	3 is supposed to be the main number of the occult, and witchcraft, and magic. perhaps the elven rings are more powerful because they are three. if you are with people you dont trust ,you should go around in a three because two will always watch the other one. 7 is my lucky number, as is 13. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

04-12-2002, 07:41 AM	#44
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	7 was consiered evil because it is a prime number and 3 was holy but because of the wichcraft tension (not helped by shakespears macbeth) was considered bad and polluted __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

04-16-2002, 08:20 AM	#46
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	Indeed, but the point of this thread was actually supposed to be how time has looped, and patterns evolve, which gets us back onto the illuvatar conversation on the other thread. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

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04-11-2002, 09:13 PM	#43
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	3 is also used in most fairy tales as the magic number; there are usually 3 wishes, 3 sons, 3 tasks in a quest. It not only had to do w/ the Trinity, but also the triangle has some very special and unique mathematical properties (don't ask me what they are I can't remember ), so that may be a reason, too. Likewise for the number 7, though to a lesser extent. I don't think the septagon (or heptagon, whatever) has any special properties besides being hard to draw!

04-13-2002, 09:03 AM	#45
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Then of course 9 is three 3s, so there you go!