Groovy maps

The Gaffer · 05-04-2010, 04:44 AM

Saw this and thought of Entmoot.

I did a search and couldn't find middle earth maps; can't believe that's the case. There should probably be a sticky with links to all the online maps out there.

Or maybe just the best ones.

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...g?w=1536&h=612

***Varnafindë*** · 05-04-2010, 07:27 AM

There used to be more maps around a few years ago - then apparently the lawyers of the Tolkien Estate told people to remove them for copyright reasons. Lots of the maps disappeared then ...

Midge · 05-04-2010, 10:31 AM

does this not work?

Ooh.. here's a leather map for sale. That's pretty cool.

The Dread Pirate Roberts · 05-04-2010, 11:14 AM

Good links there, Midge.

By the way, we've been waiting for your quote in the quote game thread...

The Gaffer · 05-04-2010, 11:40 AM

I meant on Entmoot, not Tinternet

Midge · 05-04-2010, 12:33 PM

yeah... one second. I'm living at two houses and my books are rarely near me when I'm on the computer... except for RIGHT NOW.

EllethValatari · 05-04-2010, 10:12 PM

Brian Sibley's "The Maps of Tolkien's Middle-Earth" has a couple of huge poster-maps included with it...nothing special though

The Gaffer · 05-05-2010, 09:39 AM

I like this one:

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...ddle-earth.jpg

Middle-Earth merged into Europe.

Midge · 05-05-2010, 10:12 AM

Did Tolkien base the layout of Middle-Earth off Europe? If so, that map may be a LOT closer than it seems.

The Gaffer · 05-05-2010, 06:49 PM

I dunno, though clearly The Shire is supposed to be rural England. Wasn't LOTR his mythology for England?

I always wondered about the scale and distances. The use of "leagues" in the story made it hard to get your head around how far apart things are in ME.

But if The Shire is England then Gondor would be about 1,000 miles away in Southern Italy.

That would make the Slavs the Easterlings, Arabs/Moors in Near Harad, etc. Seems like a plausible suggestion.

EllethValatari · 05-05-2010, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

I dunno, though clearly The Shire is supposed to be rural England. Wasn't LOTR his mythology for England?

I always wondered about the scale and distances. The use of "leagues" in the story made it hard to get your head around how far apart things are in ME.

But if The Shire is England then Gondor would be about 1,000 miles away in Southern Italy.

That would make the Slavs the Easterlings, Arabs/Moors in Near Harad, etc. Seems like a plausible suggestion.

I don't know how well ME relates to England, but I do know that Tolkien did not mean for it to be read into that much. I have come to believe, from studying what little I have about J.R.R.T., that he believed that if you want to show something, by all means show it clearly. For he even said, "I dislike allegory in all its manifestations." I think that idea can be applied to the comparison of the maps; he clearly created another world, and if he wanted it to represent England, he would have said so or made it more clear.

Just a thought....

The Gaffer · 05-06-2010, 03:45 AM

Yet he described Tom Bombadil as "the spirit of the English countryside" or something similar.

BeardofPants · 05-06-2010, 04:23 AM

Started off as a mythology for England, morphed into something else entirely (HoME compacted down into one sentence).

GrayMouser · 05-06-2010, 04:40 AM

And I think the emphasis is that the hobbits are English, rather than the Shire being England- though typing this I recall a direct comparison being made somewhere between Anglo-Saxon history and the founding of the Shire.

Anyway, Tolkien definitely said the Hobbits are supposed to represent English villagers in the 19th Century. Source??

EllethValatari · 05-06-2010, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Yet he described Tom Bombadil as "the spirit of the English countryside" or something similar.

Yes, but he also described TB as an enigma, and placed him in the story for no reason.

BeardofPants · 06-02-2010, 02:59 AM

I've probably posted this somewhere here, but if I didn't, this is a map I did for a cartography class a couple of years back - it's supposed to be a modern take on the middle-earth map (and yes, there are some issues with how I digitised and/or placed some of the data).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1575529228

The Gaffer · 06-02-2010, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardofPants

I've probably posted this somewhere here, but if I didn't, this is a map I did for a cartography class a couple of years back - it's supposed to be a modern take on the middle-earth map (and yes, there are some issues with how I digitised and/or placed some of the data).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1575529228

Check out the Scale!

EllethValatari · 06-02-2010, 02:49 PM

Nice job, BoP!

BeardofPants · 06-03-2010, 05:45 AM

Thanks!

Gaffer, never bothered too much with figuring out approp. scale for this exercise. There's tonnes wrong with the map, but that's ok, it was a learning exercise.

05-04-2010, 04:44 AM	#1
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Groovy maps Saw this and thought of Entmoot. I did a search and couldn't find middle earth maps; can't believe that's the case. There should probably be a sticky with links to all the online maps out there. Or maybe just the best ones. http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...g?w=1536&h=612

05-04-2010, 07:27 AM	#2
*Varnafindë* Princess of the Noldor (and Administrative Empress of the Lone Islands) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Imladris (and sometimes Norway) Posts: 3,304	There used to be more maps around a few years ago - then apparently the lawyers of the Tolkien Estate told people to remove them for copyright reasons. Lots of the maps disappeared then ... __________________ Signature picture art - Bard the Bowman - by vigshane Avatar art - Footsteps of Spring (a young Luthien) - by Henning Janssen

05-04-2010, 10:31 AM	#3
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05-04-2010, 11:14 AM	#4
The Dread Pirate Roberts Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 987	Good links there, Midge. By the way, we've been waiting for your quote in the quote game thread... __________________ ~The DPR "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

05-04-2010, 12:33 PM	#6
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	yeah... one second. I'm living at two houses and my books are rarely near me when I'm on the computer... except for RIGHT NOW. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

05-04-2010, 11:40 AM	#5
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I meant on Entmoot, not Tinternet

05-04-2010, 10:12 PM	#7
EllethValatari Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States Posts: 401	Brian Sibley's "The Maps of Tolkien's Middle-Earth" has a couple of huge poster-maps included with it...nothing special though __________________ Elleth Valatari "We have come from God, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil." — J.R.R. Tolkien

05-05-2010, 09:39 AM	#8
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I like this one: http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.c...ddle-earth.jpg Middle-Earth merged into Europe.

05-05-2010, 10:12 AM	#9
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Did Tolkien base the layout of Middle-Earth off Europe? If so, that map may be a LOT closer than it seems. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

05-05-2010, 06:49 PM	#10
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I dunno, though clearly The Shire is supposed to be rural England. Wasn't LOTR his mythology for England? I always wondered about the scale and distances. The use of "leagues" in the story made it hard to get your head around how far apart things are in ME. But if The Shire is England then Gondor would be about 1,000 miles away in Southern Italy. That would make the Slavs the Easterlings, Arabs/Moors in Near Harad, etc. Seems like a plausible suggestion.

05-06-2010, 03:45 AM	#12
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Yet he described Tom Bombadil as "the spirit of the English countryside" or something similar. Last edited by The Gaffer : 05-06-2010 at 04:04 AM.

05-06-2010, 04:23 AM	#13
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Started off as a mythology for England, morphed into something else entirely (HoME compacted down into one sentence). __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-06-2010, 04:40 AM	#14
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	And I think the emphasis is that the hobbits are English, rather than the Shire being England- though typing this I recall a direct comparison being made somewhere between Anglo-Saxon history and the founding of the Shire. Anyway, Tolkien definitely said the Hobbits are supposed to represent English villagers in the 19th Century. Source?? __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

06-02-2010, 02:59 AM	#16
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I've probably posted this somewhere here, but if I didn't, this is a map I did for a cartography class a couple of years back - it's supposed to be a modern take on the middle-earth map (and yes, there are some issues with how I digitised and/or placed some of the data). http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1575529228 __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-02-2010, 02:49 PM	#18
EllethValatari Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States Posts: 401	Nice job, BoP! __________________ Elleth Valatari "We have come from God, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil." — J.R.R. Tolkien

06-03-2010, 05:45 AM	#19
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Thanks! Gaffer, never bothered too much with figuring out approp. scale for this exercise. There's tonnes wrong with the map, but that's ok, it was a learning exercise. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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