Battle Of Evil !

04-04-2001, 03:42 PM

Can you imagine the Morannon. In one corner, Melkor in his weakened state. In the other Sauron at his peak.

Who would win do you reckon ?

Or ,maybe you shouls try a massive brawl with Sauron, melkor, Gothmog 1, Gothmog2, The Witch King, etc.

That would be a great fight wouldn't it !

What do you think.

04-04-2001, 06:49 PM

I think Melkor, even at his weakest, would thrash all the others. He was a Valar, no matter what - most of the others drew power that came from Melkor himself! The Balrogs and Sauron were Maia, so were inherently below him in power, while the Witch King would have been blown away by any of them.

04-04-2001, 07:07 PM

You're probably right about that.

Heres a new one, which do you think is the 'creepiest' if I can say that without soundin really sad.

For me it has to be the Witch King.

And just going off topic for a second does anyone find it hard to believe that Aragorn can drive off a load of Nazgul at Weathertop but Wizards like Saruman and Gandalf have a hard time with them. How did the heir of Isildur do that ???

04-05-2001, 12:29 AM

The Witch-King stabbed Frodo with a cursed knife and thought the Hobbit was done for anyway. So he thought he'd done a good job of it and told the rest of the guys to back off.

He didn't count on Hobbits' strangely tough physiology. "Soft as butter, yet tough as old tree-roots" was how old Gandalf put it. Maybe the Witch-King expected Frodo to fade away after 3 days and come under his control. Frodo went on for three weeks until he got to Rivendell, without fading.

So Aragorn didn't drive off the Nazgul, it was more like the Witch-King getting overconfident.

04-05-2001, 04:14 PM

Here's an odd thought.

Frodo was wearing the Ring when he resisted them. Could they take him against his will when he wore the Ring? Or did they HAVE to wait until his will was weakened by the wound?

04-08-2001, 04:36 PM

It is actually said that at his strongest, Sauron was mightier than Melkor!!!

05-23-2001, 05:56 PM

I've never read that Sauron at his peak was more powerful than Melkor. Where did you read that?

05-28-2001, 02:27 AM

I think it is in one of the later HoME books, either Morgoth's Ring or War of the Jewels. Probably Morgoth's Ring.

afro-elf · 03-08-2002, 06:50 AM

It may be a matter of the word POWER

with his ring he over ran all of ME to the doors of Lindon.

as far as more power as in sway yes he may have been

BUT in personal might melkor is the man

Arathorn · 03-08-2002, 07:26 AM

Assuming no minions are used, I agree that Melkor is our ainur. Note that he was able to convince Sauron to switch to his side when he mounted a coup against Manwe and Eru. I also read somewhere in Sil, I think, that they were very alike except that Sauron was more of a soldier than Melkor. Melkor wouldn't settle bending for anyone else.

MasterMothra · 03-09-2002, 01:31 AM

morgoth was sauron's master. if morgoth ever escaped the void, sauron would not oppose him. this is what makes morgoth the better of the two.

Elf Girl · 03-09-2002, 09:54 AM

Melkor, but if Sauron had the Ring, I don't think anyone could win.

04-04-2001, 03:42 PM	#1
Fuor Guest Posts: n/a	Battle Of Evil ! Can you imagine the Morannon. In one corner, Melkor in his weakened state. In the other Sauron at his peak. Who would win do you reckon ? Or ,maybe you shouls try a massive brawl with Sauron, melkor, Gothmog 1, Gothmog2, The Witch King, etc. That would be a great fight wouldn't it ! What do you think.

04-04-2001, 06:49 PM	#2
Mathron Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Battle Of Evil ! I think Melkor, even at his weakest, would thrash all the others. He was a Valar, no matter what - most of the others drew power that came from Melkor himself! The Balrogs and Sauron were Maia, so were inherently below him in power, while the Witch King would have been blown away by any of them.

04-04-2001, 07:07 PM	#3
Fuor Guest Posts: n/a	Reply You're probably right about that. Heres a new one, which do you think is the 'creepiest' if I can say that without soundin really sad. For me it has to be the Witch King. And just going off topic for a second does anyone find it hard to believe that Aragorn can drive off a load of Nazgul at Weathertop but Wizards like Saruman and Gandalf have a hard time with them. How did the heir of Isildur do that ???

04-05-2001, 12:29 AM	#4
easterlinge Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Reply The Witch-King stabbed Frodo with a cursed knife and thought the Hobbit was done for anyway. So he thought he'd done a good job of it and told the rest of the guys to back off. He didn't count on Hobbits' strangely tough physiology. "Soft as butter, yet tough as old tree-roots" was how old Gandalf put it. Maybe the Witch-King expected Frodo to fade away after 3 days and come under his control. Frodo went on for three weeks until he got to Rivendell, without fading. So Aragorn didn't drive off the Nazgul, it was more like the Witch-King getting overconfident.

04-05-2001, 04:14 PM	#5
Gilthalion Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Reply Here's an odd thought. Frodo was wearing the Ring when he resisted them. Could they take him against his will when he wore the Ring? Or did they HAVE to wait until his will was weakened by the wound?

04-08-2001, 04:36 PM	#6
Findorfin Guest Posts: n/a	Sauron vs Melkor It is actually said that at his strongest, Sauron was mightier than Melkor!!!

05-23-2001, 05:56 PM	#7
Mandos Guest Posts: n/a	Where does it say that? I've never read that Sauron at his peak was more powerful than Melkor. Where did you read that?

05-28-2001, 02:27 AM	#8
Inoldonil Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Where does it say that? I think it is in one of the later HoME books, either Morgoth's Ring or War of the Jewels. Probably Morgoth's Ring.

03-08-2002, 06:50 AM	#9
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	It may be a matter of the word POWER with his ring he over ran all of ME to the doors of Lindon. as far as more power as in sway yes he may have been BUT in personal might melkor is the man __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-08-2002, 07:26 AM	#10
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Assuming no minions are used, I agree that Melkor is our ainur. Note that he was able to convince Sauron to switch to his side when he mounted a coup against Manwe and Eru. I also read somewhere in Sil, I think, that they were very alike except that Sauron was more of a soldier than Melkor. Melkor wouldn't settle bending for anyone else. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-09-2002, 01:31 AM	#11
MasterMothra Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: utumno and angband Posts: 241	morgoth was sauron's master. if morgoth ever escaped the void, sauron would not oppose him. this is what makes morgoth the better of the two. __________________ "........and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they."- sauron talking to ar pharazon.

03-09-2002, 09:54 AM	#12
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Melkor, but if Sauron had the Ring, I don't think anyone could win. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

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