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02-07-2002, 09:37 PM
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Lucas ripped off Tolkien!!!
Ever notice how closely related LOTR and Star wars are? Besides the fact that the hero lived with an uncle, there is a good guy currupted by a bad guy, and an evil emporer, doesn't Obi-Wann seem a bit tooo much like Gandalf?
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02-07-2002, 09:44 PM
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I think this subject has been covered in another thread, hasn't it? BTW, welcome to the Moot, FoolofaTook11!
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02-07-2002, 09:53 PM
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Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages
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Re: Lucas ripped off Tolkien!!!
Check out my website! It has the same name as you! http://www.foolofatook.com
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02-08-2002, 07:40 AM
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Elven Warrior
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There's also a lot of common things in LotR (+Silmarillion) and Babylon 5. Some of them can be seen at http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~aaa/B5.Ref.html and others can be easily noticed otherwice.
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02-08-2002, 09:32 AM
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FoolofaTook,
Welcome to Entmoot. Try not to be too hasty. There is no doubt that Lucas “borrowed” much of his material for Star Wars from Lord of the Rings, but JRRT also borrowed copiously from other sources. For instance, much of the Gandalf character is taken from the wizard Merlin of Arthurian legends; Trolls and goblins are common in old Scandanavian lore; and the concept of Dwarves is a direct "rip-off" from a familiar story by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm. Consider this passage from the 1857 version of “Little Snow White”: Quote:
Hmm…
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02-08-2002, 10:45 AM
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Good thing Disney didn't get the rights to the movie. Or else we would have:
"I am Hippie, son of Happy"  "I am Snoozy, Son of Sleepy"  "I am Grimli, son of Grumpy"  "I am Dimli, son of Dopey" 
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02-08-2002, 04:10 PM
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Actually Barrelrider10, the inspiration for Gandalf came from a Drawing on a postcard that Tolkien had, though it would be fair to say that a few elements from Merlin inspired the concept of Gandalf. There is a thread in the Star Wars forum about Tolkien and Lucas.
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02-09-2002, 03:29 AM
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Elven Warrior
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I just think that as a general rule, movies/books are going to influence each other. it's similar to the debate some people have had over harry potter and whether it was a ripoff from tolkien. i havent really read harry potter, and i'm not an avid star wars fan like some people... but it just seems that if we have a common culture (western culture in general) there will be spillover between stories... just like in this thread, many people have said what i've said before. now that's not to say that people should be copycats, cause every story is unique... but.. just it should be expected that there will be commonalities....
oh and of course, welcome to the board FoolOfaTook11! (though i havent been around much in the last month or so due to school and other life issues  )
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02-09-2002, 07:05 PM
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Welcome, FoolofaTook!
I think many fantasy stories have elements from Tolkien. It's the original fairy/fantasy book for everyone, so inevitably parts of it end up in other books.
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