Why Pippin says 'gollum, gollum' to Grishnakh - Page 2

Curubethion · 03-30-2006, 12:40 AM

Hmm..."channeling Gollum"...I've read Wheel of Time, and that puts a rather peculiar picture in my head...

***Valandil*** · 03-30-2006, 08:20 AM

I agree with Forkbeard's assessment. And... Pippin "struck gold" too, since Grishnakh was from the Dark Tower (Appendices - F I think) and very possibly knew something of Sauron's "interview" with Gollum some years prior.

Can't really judge his action as childish or foolish. He was playing with fire, yes - but he was in a "live or death" situation anyway. He maybe felt the inspiration and kept his cool enough to "go with it".

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-30-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

I'm not sure that the Red Book would have told Pippin much of the truth anyway. Remember Bilbo's words at the Council.
"I will now tell you all the truth. Not what I wrote in my book or told others." Or something along those lines.

He was, however, I think referring to the story that he won the Ring fairly against Gollum.

The Red Book, at least in part, is more or less representative of
The Hobbit, so that I think most of what was in said Hobbit would be in the Red Book. Of course, one must keep in mind the matter of the original Hobbit.

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Originally Posted by Lotesse

The thing is, none of this explains how Pippin would have the innate, very specific understanding of how to say 'gollum, gollum' and to act just like Gollum

But Bilbo told the story often, did he not? Merely a warped version in which he won the Ring in a fair competition. Therefore, it seems likely that he would have imitated Gollum's throat-sounds, and therefore that Pippin would recall it.

As Forkbeard says, QED.

Elfhelm · 05-11-2006, 11:55 AM

I agree. When Merry and Pippin catch up to Sam and Frodo, it is revealed that Sam was spying for quite some time and telling Merry and Pippin about the discussions between Frodo and Gandalf. I'd have to look in the books which are at home, but Pippin knew about Gollum and the Ring from very early on.

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03-30-2006, 08:20 AM	#22
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	I agree with Forkbeard's assessment. And... Pippin "struck gold" too, since Grishnakh was from the Dark Tower (Appendices - F I think) and very possibly knew something of Sauron's "interview" with Gollum some years prior. Can't really judge his action as childish or foolish. He was playing with fire, yes - but he was in a "live or death" situation anyway. He maybe felt the inspiration and kept his cool enough to "go with it". __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

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05-11-2006, 11:55 AM	#24
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	I agree. When Merry and Pippin catch up to Sam and Frodo, it is revealed that Sam was spying for quite some time and telling Merry and Pippin about the discussions between Frodo and Gandalf. I'd have to look in the books which are at home, but Pippin knew about Gollum and the Ring from very early on.