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Seems Galadriel had more realistic point of view. Quote:
I think, all racket about having the silmarills was not about their beauty, but about their strategic use: something like a catalyst for an overpoweful lazer ray. Feanor, definately, knew about the danger, which this stones could inflict on ME if they will get in the hands of knowledgable.This is why he wanted to put a tight lid on his invention. Quote:
I have a theory about an agreement between two maia: Sauron and Gandalf, but it's too big to interject it in this thread Quote:
Considering Sauron's lame actions against them, the claim that he wanted "to destroy" them was, at least measure, a misleading. Quote:
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To spell it out now: to be human means to have free will, to have free will means to have good and evil choices, to have good and evil choices means evil exists to confront and overcome through our own personal effort. Not that a Sauron or Satan per se is needed for any of this, of course. Simple randomnes/chaoticness works, too. The key, as you correctly note, is the unpredicatability. Quote:
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04-28-2006, 06:34 PM | #25 |
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Just as a reputation, once acquired, requires upkeeping, a theory, once propounded, requires re-confirmation. That's the problem with outrageous theories like some of us sometimes offer here such as secret plots by Gandalf and the like. They're cool at first and do help get us thinking but soon enough the pressure on the originators to reinterpret/force everything potentially contadictory into line to ensure continued support soon becomes, at best, unwieldy.
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Olmer, I don't know why you say that Of the rings of power is a story written by hobbits - nor can I qualify Sauron's actions against the elves as lame.
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In 1974 the Witch-king destroyed Fornost, laid Arthedain waste, and scattered the remnants of the Dunedain.). In RotK, the end of Arnor is attributed to the small number of the dunedain and of the other people in Eriador. To suppose that there would have been much more people alive in order to populate Arnor, should Gondor have not sent its help, is just amusing. Quote:
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Jon puts his finger on it I think: the free will to make choices. Unfortunately Melkor had got to them before Orome, and taught them fear, so some of them feared the Valar and refused the call. Sil/LotR/all the other stuff is replete with information consistent with the statement that the elves who paid most attention to the call had the most power/grace/bliss, whilst the ones who paid least attention had the least. The ones who stuck around to the bitter end eventually faded from the physical world and became pure spirit, "their bodies consumed by their fea" (can't remember the source for that one). Plus, when an elf snuffs it they reappear in the Halls of Mandos. Quote:
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