A few questions about the Maiar - Page 4

Blackheart · 12-16-2004, 06:18 AM

Well.. except that apparantly no one can create independant beings with rational thought except Eru...

He might have animated Melkor's lust, becasue it was part of the music...

But I don't see Morgoth creating something more powerful than him, at least not purposefully.

Minielin · 12-19-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackheart

Well.. except that apparantly no one can create independant beings with rational thought except Eru...

But didn't Aule technically create the dwarves before Eru saw and he almost smited them? Or did they just not have rational thought? I need to reread...

Radagast The Brown · 12-19-2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minielin

But didn't Aule technically create the dwarves before Eru saw and he almost smited them? Or did they just not have rational thought? I need to reread...

The problem with the dwarves in their beginning, before Eru made them living creatures, was that they couldn't do anything unless Aule thought about it... it was beyond his powers to create life (as he knew himself).

Blackheart · 12-19-2004, 09:03 PM

Yep. The dwarves were Automatons before they were invested by Eru....

Which incidentally is the only (recorded) instance of Eru manifesting personally in any form or fashion in Arda after it's creation... (That I can recall). Any other time (usually Manwe) it's more like internal consultation and prayer... Though there is the incident about the downfall of Numenor, when the valar lay down their lordship for a time and Eru takes the wheel...

Still it's pretty significant that Eru appeared at the begining of the only other free "race" in Arda...

Lenya · 12-25-2004, 09:50 AM

That's actually true, I haven't thought of that. Though I must say it is a pretty important event to attend, so it makes sence.

ItalianLegolas · 01-03-2005, 04:09 PM

I think that maybe either Eonwe or Osse were the strongest...

me9996 · 03-20-2005, 01:38 PM

I'd like to know about were the mirar came from

P.S.
Haveing a little bit of troble with the 90 second rule...

Pytt · 03-20-2005, 05:08 PM

The maiar? They are the same origin as the Valar, but have minor strenght and power. read the Silmarillion

Maerbenn · 04-14-2005, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Finrod Felagund

Eonwe is called "the greatest in arms" of anyone in Arda...

Christopher Tolkien says in HoMe X: Morgoth’s Ring that the words in the published Silmarillion concerning Eönwë, “whose might in arms is surpassed by none in Arda”, were “an editorial addition, made in order to prepare for his leadership of the hosts of the West at the Great Battle”.

12-16-2004, 06:18 AM	#61
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Well.. except that apparantly no one can create independant beings with rational thought except Eru... He might have animated Melkor's lust, becasue it was part of the music... But I don't see Morgoth creating something more powerful than him, at least not purposefully. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

12-19-2004, 09:03 PM	#64
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Yep. The dwarves were Automatons before they were invested by Eru.... Which incidentally is the only (recorded) instance of Eru manifesting personally in any form or fashion in Arda after it's creation... (That I can recall). Any other time (usually Manwe) it's more like internal consultation and prayer... Though there is the incident about the downfall of Numenor, when the valar lay down their lordship for a time and Eru takes the wheel... Still it's pretty significant that Eru appeared at the begining of the only other free "race" in Arda... __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

01-03-2005, 04:09 PM	#66
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	I think that maybe either Eonwe or Osse were the strongest... __________________ What was lost is now found.

03-20-2005, 05:08 PM	#68
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	The maiar? They are the same origin as the Valar, but have minor strenght and power. read the Silmarillion __________________ Don't Panic!

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12-25-2004, 09:50 AM	#65
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	That's actually true, I haven't thought of that. Though I must say it is a pretty important event to attend, so it makes sence.