Would a Dwarf have been better as the Ring bearer?

[Pytt]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Gimli certainly is an exceptional dwarf! I think it's rather unfair to say Dwarves are greedy though. Just because they like treasure doesn't mean they are all greedy about it. Thats like saying Thranduil is greedy, but I don't think he is either.

I agree. It would be wrong to say dwarfs are any more greedy than men. Some of them are off course more greedy than others, but that occurs for mmankind also.

[Butterbeer]

Am i not correct in saying that Tolkien states that dwarves alone of the free peoples of ME were able to resist the domination of the rings? (thats not to say dwarves totally unaffected or uindesirous of them, merely of a character not easily externally dominated) - i think appendices ROTK??
In this sense they are a good call.
Take point about exceptions: surely it is absloutely true that Frodo IS an exception to most hobbits.

So, good question, but my initial gut reaction is NO dwarves in general wouldn't be an ideal choice despite their natural resistance to domination by the rings or external powers.
Why? Well they ARE incredibly prone to lust for Gold and wealth, more impetous than modest homely Hobbits, and certainly couldn't IMHO creep through Mordor quietly without kicking off.

Agree Glimli is to large degree an exception himself: making pals with elves, adoring Galadriel etc, but as someone pointed out earlier, he wasn't chosen was he? It was pre-ordained that Frodo be the bearer - 'nough said.(?)

Or probably not.
cheers, butterbeer

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

Am i not correct in saying that Tolkien states that dwarves alone of the free peoples of ME were able to resist the domination of the rings? (thats not to say dwarves totally unaffected or uindesirous of them, merely of a character not easily externally dominated) - i think appendices ROTK??
In this sense they are a good call.
Take point about exceptions: surely it is absloutely true that Frodo IS an exception to most hobbits.

So, good question, but my initial gut reaction is NO dwarves in general wouldn't be an ideal choice despite their natural resistance to domination by the rings or external powers.
Why? Well they ARE incredibly prone to lust for Gold and wealth, more impetous than modest homely Hobbits, and certainly couldn't IMHO creep through Mordor quietly without kicking off.

Agree Glimli is to large degree an exception himself: making pals with elves, adoring Galadriel etc, but as someone pointed out earlier, he wasn't chosen was he? It was pre-ordained that Frodo be the bearer - 'nough said.(?)

Or probably not.
cheers, butterbeer

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[Earniel]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

Am i not correct in saying that Tolkien states that dwarves alone of the free peoples of ME were able to resist the domination of the rings? (thats not to say dwarves totally unaffected or uindesirous of them, merely of a character not easily externally dominated) - i think appendices ROTK??
In this sense they are a good call.

You make a good point. But I think a large factor in all this is how much the Dwarven Rings differ from the other rings in their effect.

The question is also whether the not-being-dominated would be a safe enough reason to entrust the One Ring to a Dwarf. I'd say no. Considering that the rings of power enhanced some of the Dwarves less good characteristics (like greed and lust for gold) the One Ring may not have been able to dominate a Dwarven bearer but he may have been able to manipulate him, to the ruin of the Fellowship.

[Butterbeer]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

You make a good point. But I think a large factor in all this is how much the Dwarven Rings differ from the other rings in their effect.

The question is also whether the not-being-dominated would be a safe enough reason to entrust the One Ring to a Dwarf. I'd say no. Considering that the rings of power enhanced some of the Dwarves less good characteristics (like greed and lust for gold) the One Ring may not have been able to dominate a Dwarven bearer but he may have been able to manipulate him, to the ruin of the Fellowship.

Well i agree with you - can't quite understand why that is so unclear to understand (esp to me9996??????? whats that all about??) my feeling is they have natural species resistance but are like you said VERY suscepticable to the greed of Gold etc.

[Butterbeer]

Originally Posted by me9996

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25 posts to elf lord!!!

ER don't quite know how to take this or where to start? OK so firstly 25 to go! Good luck and best wishes. - 'Don't understand you'? - ER, ok not quite sure what you don't understand? Unless you mean "enough said - probably not?" this means hopefully it aint the end of the discussion! Otherwise please explain what you do not understand?
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Look - don't wanta take this the wrong way without a good reason but just what do you mean????

[Butterbeer]

Originally Posted by me9996

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OK thought does occur you might mean YOU'D best quit trying ( i.e. to understand Me!) - though i fail to see what is so complicated?
So if i took that wrong way please make it clear one way or the other - also, i thought 500 posts was what you needed for Elf Lord?? Havent you already gone over ? Either way Immortal one ("for a while") - good luck! Is it to be "Wiazrd" then?
( PS If you ARE saying i should quit trying i still wish you good luck, just not quite for so long! Know what i mean? - Like,well y'know ...)

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

OK thought does occur you might mean YOU'D best quit trying ( i.e. to understand Me!) - though i fail to see what is so complicated?
So if i took that wrong way please make it clear one way or the other - also, i thought 500 posts was what you needed for Elf Lord?? Havent you already gone over ? Either way Immortal one ("for a while") - good luck! Is it to be "Wiazrd" then?
( PS If you ARE saying i should quit trying i still wish you good luck, just not quite for so long! Know what i mean? - Like,well y'know ...)

I made that post before I made it to elf lord (25posts to be exact) so that is... can't think of anything to say here. Bye!!!

[Butterbeer]

well i see it is WIZARD! (as the famous-five would say!)

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with respect you didn't really answer my question - are you telling me to shut up (if so why?) or did i take it the wrong way (i,e, for some reason - i'd still like to know what?) you were saying you'd yourself best try to quit trying to unerstand what i was saying?

[CrazySquirrel]

Maybe a dwarf would be better but Gandalf have preferred a hobbit and he knew better. A dwarf would've put the ring in his private hoard i recon, not destroy it