Men & Elves dwelling together. - Page 2

Twista · 02-07-2005, 02:04 PM

I see, thank you for explaining that to me buddy!

Telcontar_Dunedain · 02-07-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

Thingol was a perfect example of being a racist I think.

Elrond was in the same way as Thingol. Only allowing Arwen to marry a human if they were the King of Gondor and Arnor.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-07-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

Elrond was in the same way as Thingol. Only allowing Arwen to marry a human if they were the King of Gondor and Arnor.

That's true, as Thingol mellowed with Beren after the Quest of the Silmaril. He also cared for Turin and Morwen. It remains that in the beginning though, that he was still racist toward Men.

Elemmírë · 02-07-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

That's true, as Thingol mellowed with Beren after the Quest of the Silmaril. He also cared for Turin and Morwen. It remains that in the beginning though, that he was still racist toward Men.

Reminds me of some of the Fëanorions, actually. I don't feel like searching for the quote right now, but I remember Caranthir taking note and recognising the strengths of Men too late...

Telcontar_Dunedain · 02-08-2005, 05:41 PM

You have to remember that not all elves were racist though. Finrod was the first elf to make contact with Men. Fingolfin and Fingon took the Men of Dor-Lormin into his service. Turgon allowed Húrin and Hior to enter and leave Gondolin (even though that the entering and leving was courtesy of the eagles). Elladan and Elrohir were often abroad with the Dunedain. There are many cases similar to this.

Elemmírë · 02-08-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

You have to remember that not all elves were racist though. Finrod was the first elf to make contact with Men. Fingolfin and Fingon took the Men of Dor-Lormin into his service. Turgon allowed Húrin and Hior to enter and leave Gondolin (even though that the entering and leving was courtesy of the eagles). Elladan and Elrohir were often abroad with the Dunedain. There are many cases similar to this.

Of course not all were. I was reluctant to mention Finrod myself, though...

Turgon was also an exception, but I wouldn't claim Elladan and Elrohir, who technically speaking weren't Elves themselves.

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